Semi new biker, with LOTS of questions. only for experts

[gfisha88]

well the stuff you don't want to hear is what every body is going to tell you if you post something like this. What do you want people to say??

like 99% of the people here, we know you probably aren't going to race on the street, BUT thats not the important part, what most seniors here are worried about is being at the wrong place and the right time.

For example, hmmm,

lets say that you were riding around then the roads got a little congested..
I'm pretty sure a beginner would not want to be on a 150 HP motorcycle with a razor sharp throttle, razor sharp brakes in a traffic jam. worst ever

or

You did something and your RPMs jumped a couple Ks, then you just let go of the throttle, or something like that.

or

your leaning around a corner and you give it a little bit too much gas your on the ground.


HERE SINCE IM SO NICE ILL POST VIDEOS OF NOOBS ON BIG BIKES

well this guy isnt a noob so it proves my point more
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LShY-dIns8g

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3pt6ngjJ0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b6qgZawG75E& ... ed&search=

and here is the epitome of all motorcycling stupidity
http://youtube.com/watch?v=apT9d22CmS4

Ok differnce between me and them. Is that those guys look like first time riders. An the guy in the first vid made a foolish mistake and his bike i am going to gess is HUGE. yeah popin the clutch at high rpms is "procreating" dumb. Come on guys ive ridden for a lil more than 2 years from 125 yz to 250's. all sorts honda, yamaha ect.

[gfisha88]

logitech very helpfull thnx, but i am still leaning toward the 650 ninja...

[Sev]

You don't need to convince us. You asked for advice and we gave it. The nice thing about advice is you don't always need to take it.

Make sure to budget enough for insurance and gear though, getting off on dirt HURTS, but getting off on pavement is way worse.

[Logitech105]

Come on guys ive ridden for a lil more than 2 years from 125 yz to 250's. all sorts honda, yamaha ect.

oh sorry i must have missed that, well then I think you will do fine since you are not new to bikes. But I still say start small as in 500cc range.

I'm serious by the way.

Oh yeah, and the pavement does hurt worse than the dirt w/ rocks.

[gfisha88]

Would u still say a 650 ninja is 2 big for me?

[Ninja Geoff]

Would u still say a 650 ninja is 2 big for me?

Take the MSF course. If that goes swimingly, I'd say no, it's not too big. That and the SV650 are about as big as you'll want to look at for a total noob (on the sporty end of things). I rode dirt for a season and a half before i got my 650R. 5500+ miles later and i'm still getting more from it AND making mistakes. That it's just forgiving enough to let me get away with.

[gfisha88]

Ok thnx for all your oppinuiouns god my spelling has gone to shiet. I have bin up all night working on creative righting.

10 pages of poetry + 5 page short story typed = pain in my "O Ring" neck and back.... I am running out of ideas for poetry and i got 1 more page left... can any one drop me some ideas.

[gfisha88]

haha gess not..

[Logitech105]

Would u still say a 650 ninja is 2 big for me?

Not too big but too powerfull.

That's a huge advantage that you have a dirtbike background, as do I, and that why I'm not screaming " ninja 250"!! But riding on the street is a whole different world. On knobbie tires on the dirt you get extreme traction but on the pavement, there is hardly any contact with the road at all. With street tires, if there is a little bit of sand on the road while you are turning, your tires will slide right across it, washing you rear end out; or even worse your front end. I just don't want anyone getting a fast street bike with an inline 4 and regretting it. I have seen too many horror stories. Everyone sais "I will be careful" or "I'm differen't" well your still human and just because you "are differen't doesn't mean that the bike is going to be nicer to you. The bike doesn't care if you are the president or a new born baby, it still weighs 400 lbs and still will take off like a rocket if you let it.

Since you are a "big dude" I'm sure you wont have any problem handling a bike of this weight. But you claim "I'm a speed freak" and speed freaks and sport bikes are a disaster waiting to happen. I can't go over to your house and give you a whippin' but i can try to make you realise what you are doing.

You realise that you have a want for lots of speed and you are satisfying that with a bike you ARE NOT READY FOR.

whatever
since you like the 650 so much, lets bring up some specs..




Engine Type Four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, four-valve per cylinder, parallel twin

Displacement 649 cc

Bore & Stroke 83.0 x 60.0 mm

Compression Ratio 11.3:1

Maximum Torque 48.5 lb/ft @7,000 rpm

Cooling Liquid

Fuel Injection Digital fuel injection with two 38mm Keihin throttle bodies

Ignition Digital CDI

Transmission 6-Speed

Final Drive O-Ring Chain

Frame Semi-double cradle, high-tensile steel

Rake/Trail 25°/4.2 in.

Front Tire Size 120/70-17

Rear Tire Size 160/60-17

Wheelbase 55.5

Front Suspension / wheel travel 41mm hydraulic telescopic fork / 4.7 in.

Rear Suspension / wheel travel Single offset laydown shock with adjustable spring preload / 4.9 in.

Front Brake Type Dual 300mm Petal Disc with 2-Piston Caliper

Rear Brake Type Single 220mm Petal Disc with hydraulic caliper

Fuel Tank Capacity 4.1 gal.

Seat Height 31.1

Dry Weight 393 lbs.

Overall length 82.9 in.

Overall width 29.9 in.

Overall height 50.0 in.

Color Candy Plasma Blue, Passion Red

Warranty 12 months

650cc's of inline 4 juice is very bad for someone who is just getting into street riding. Riding on the road is smooth which brings overconfidence because nothing is really going on compared to dirt riding.

Overall If you are going to get the 650r, be careful. I know nobody want to ruin the new bike experience by going really slow and careful, but you need to get a feel for the bike and what it acts like, throttle responce, where the friction zone is, where lots of random power comes in etc. Besides you already had your street experience with the ninja. hope you know what to expect.
that's it.

[Logitech105]

oops, i guess the ninja is a parallel twin, so i guess that not so bad.
that changes everything really. I say go ahead and get the bike.
I should've known