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matthew5656 wrote: But the government should not go as far as limiting the motor size or model of one's starter bike.

And you also said :

However, I do think limitations should be imposed against dealers because I experienced numerous occasions...

Which one is it? Should there be a limit on the size of one's starter bike or not? By putting limitations on dealers, wouldn't that be the same as the government limiting the size of one's starter bike?

You can't have it both ways. Either the government is going to determine what the appropriate sized starter bike is, or you're going to keep your freedom to make your own choices. One or the other.

flynrider wrote:

BMK wrote:You can't go into a car dealer and drive a car off the lot without a driver's license, but you can go into a motorcycle shop and (attempt to) ride a motorcycle off the lot with absolute zero experience.

In what state can't you buy a car without a license? If that's the case in your state (doubtful), why would a motorcycle dealer let someone buy a motorcycle without a license? Do they have special rules for bikes?

I never said you can't buy a car without a license. Try again.

I guess it's a good thing that my dealer wants people to produce an M class license when buying a bike even if they're not financing. I bought my bike in full and I still had to produce my license even though they know me.

And actually yeah, here in CO you can't buy the car or drive it off the lot without
1. License
2. Insurance
Mom just bought a new car and I know that for a fact now...
Wrider

flynrider wrote:

matthew5656 wrote: But the government should not go as far as limiting the motor size or model of one's starter bike.

And you also said :

However, I do think limitations should be imposed against dealers because I experienced numerous occasions...

Which one is it? Should there be a limit on the size of one's starter bike or not? By putting limitations on dealers, wouldn't that be the same as the government limiting the size of one's starter bike?

You can't have it both ways. Either the government is going to determine what the appropriate sized starter bike is, or you're going to keep your freedom to make your own choices. One or the other.

I worded that incorrectly. I did not mean there should be limitations imposed against a dealer allowing one to buy a super sport. Anyone should have the right to buy anything. I could have financed a ZX14 for a starter bike. I would never be stupid enough to start with that powerful of a machine, but I appreciate that I have a right to purchase any bike I wanted.

My point was that dealerships should not be allowed to suggest a high powered sports bike to a blatant, noob rider. If the shopper still insists on buying a GSXR, than why not. But I think bike dealers could help prevent this problem by recommending a tamer motorcycle such as the SV650 or a Ninja 650R.

Of course it would be practically impossible to regulate something like this with so many dealerships hungry for exponential sales. If only fish could fly.

BMK wrote:

flynrider wrote:

BMK wrote:You can't go into a car dealer and drive a car off the lot without a driver's license, but you can go into a motorcycle shop and (attempt to) ride a motorcycle off the lot with absolute zero experience.

In what state can't you buy a car without a license? If that's the case in your state (doubtful), why would a motorcycle dealer let someone buy a motorcycle without a license? Do they have special rules for bikes?

I never said you can't buy a car without a license. Try again.

I'm looking at your statement (quoted above) and I guess I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you can buy the car, but the dealer has some sort of regulatory requirement that you can't drive it off the lot without presenting a valid license? And this doesn't apply to motorcycles?

I've bought many cars and bikes in several states and the only time the dealer wanted to see my license is when he had an interest in the vehicle. In other words, the vehicle was not purchased outright and the car technically still belonged to the dealer until the loan agreement was finalized. In that case, they'll want to see both a license and insurance before they let you go.

For a dealership to sell the car, they need to see your DL info so they can take care of the titling and registration/plates. Not to mention, they were required for a test drive.

At the Chevy dealer I sold for we never sold a car to anyone who did not have valid license.

Strange. My mom bought a new car last year. She's mostly blind and hasn't had a license since the 80s. The salesman drove her around in the car for the test drive and she has it titled and registered in her name.

Just in case you're wondering why a blind lady needs a car , she pays someone to drive her around it when she needs to go somewhere.

flynrider wrote:

BMK wrote:

flynrider wrote:

BMK wrote:You can't go into a car dealer and drive a car off the lot without a driver's license, but you can go into a motorcycle shop and (attempt to) ride a motorcycle off the lot with absolute zero experience.

In what state can't you buy a car without a license? If that's the case in your state (doubtful), why would a motorcycle dealer let someone buy a motorcycle without a license? Do they have special rules for bikes?

I never said you can't buy a car without a license. Try again.

I'm looking at your statement (quoted above) and I guess I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you can buy the car, but the dealer has some sort of regulatory requirement that you can't drive it off the lot without presenting a valid license?

No, the dealer has no regulatory requirement, the state does. As soon as you drove that car off the lot you'd be breaking the law.

However, the state has no such requirement for a motorcycle. In many states, you can go to the drivers license center, take an eye test that Stevie Wonder could pass, plunk down $10, get your piece of paper permit, and you're now able to buy & ride any bike on your own you want with absolutely no training or experience whatsoever. That same scenerio does not hold true when buying a new car...that's all I'm saying.

Btw, in many states, you do have to have a valid license to purchase a new car if it is to be titled in your name. In other states, you may or may not need a valid license to complete the purchase, but you do need proof of insurance...and many insurance companies won't give you car insurance without a valid driver's license.

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