Suicide on a motorcycle...

[oldnslo]

In this case, the attack was both massive and instantantaneous, which according to my doctor means he didn't know what hit 'im. In addition, accident reconstructionists concluded he fell of his bike and it continued for a short distance without him on its own before crashing into a guard rail.

[iwannadie]

if someone put their foot under my tire knowing i was about to drive off, i wouldnt have any concern for them or their foot. thats intentionally bringing harm onto yourself. and i dont see how it relates to riding without a helmet. riding with no helmet with every intention to ride safe isnt the same as jumping in front of someone about to fire a gun hoping they shoot you. if i drove over someones foot on accident(they didnt mean for it to be in the way) then that would effect me yes. if i was at a range and a bullet ricochet hitting someone id feel bad.

next time you offer a french fry to a friend try to imagine in 20-30 years if that person dies of some cholesterol diesease that was possibly started by that french fry you gave him how youll feel then i guess. every action we take can have ill effects on people.

if someone wants to bring harm onto themselfs its not my problem to feel bad. if someone gets hurt on accident ill certainlly feel bad. also i wouldnt refuse treatment to them either even if they brought it upon themselfs. if i ran a guys foot over who put it in my way id try to help him, but id flat out tell him hes stupid for doing it.

if someone on a whim swallowed some pills and was about to die, do you think we shouldnt waste money to save them? they are stupid for taking the pills right we should let them die next to the guy on the bike with no helmet?

Coming from someone who thinks we should be trying everything possible to heal a person who crashed without a helmet. Or someone who was ejected from a car because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.
Stop and think about that for a second. Imagine if someone stuck their foot under your tire (on purpose) while you were driving. Would you feel bad at all? I mean you just crushed this guys foot, he'll never walk the same. He might have done it to yourself, but if you'd been a little faster on the brake you might have saved his foot. Ultimately you're responsible. You did this to him.
Now imagine you're at the firing range and lining up a shot when all of a sudden someone jumps in front of you. You shoot them in the head and they die instantly... are you telling me that isn't going to affect you? I mean you're going to literally have blood on your hands, you pulled the trigger that ended a life.
I've hurt my friends before by accident. We've done a lot of stupid stuff in our time, but I've always felt bad. I've had them hurt themselves around me, and I've felt bad. I cannot imagine what would happen if I killed someone. I'm pretty sure I'd fall apart.
You say that he might go on to better things, but the truth is that most people wouldn't recover from something like that. It isn't that he wouldn't want to. With videogames these days it's easy to think that we're inured to violence, but death... death is still a powerful thing. And even joking about it is not funny.

[BuzZz]

i dont think the trucker would be that tramatized really. knowing it was all the riders fault would leave a clean state of mind. if i was the trucker i wouldnt care if it happend in that situation.

if the person wanting to die is that worried then a nice brick wall would be just as good. but then what happens if the person that built the wall found out you used it to kill yourself? hed feel bad. or the poor guy that helped build your bike would regret building something that was used to kill someone. same could go for a gun,knife, etc. any action will effect someone in the end to a degree. noone knows if it will be good or negative.

the trucker might be tramatized and never drive a truck again, which could turn out to be good for some one else. he might take up a new career as a ambulance driver and save peoples lives... you never know. by not having the incident with the motorcycle he might fall asleep and kill a bus full of innocent kids.

I really, really hope you never have to find out how wrong you are about this. I would tell you to try it and find out for yourself, but I would not wish that on my worst enemy, nevermind a fellow rider, and one I like at that. Trust me, it is not something you 'just get over'.

4% of the population can kill another human being (in any way) and not be bothered by it. That's because 4% of the population are sociopaths and therefore have no emotional connection with humanity at all. The other 96% will be seriously tramatized. Yes he could fall asleep and kill a busload of people, and he would messed-up by it, but that is within his control, to some extent. And he would have to find some way to deal with it. Suicide Sammy useing his grill to do the job is not within his control and it is patently unfair to force that on another person. How can Sammy force this on other person who is just going about his life? What gives him that right?

So Sammy, ride off a cliff, eat a gun, anything. But don't involve someone else in your messed-up plans. What right do you have to force that on another person?

[iwannadie]

well i stand by that it would not effect me. that being said i have no idea untill it happens and i hope i never do.

but if the guy wanted to die and used my truck as his method so be it. i just dont try to get hung up on that kind of thing i have enough of my own problems to be worried about. let alone some guy with a death wish that found the best way to die was involve someone else. like i said, any thing used could effect someone thats not involved or aware of the situation at all so you cant take it personal. if it wasnt my truck he hit it could of been a bus load of kids behind me so id be gratefull he hit my truck and caused no harm.

i just try to find the light of it and not hinder on someone that wanted to die, its their choice. it shouldnt effect my life if they didnt intend it to.

i dont think the trucker would be that tramatized really. knowing it was all the riders fault would leave a clean state of mind. if i was the trucker i wouldnt care if it happend in that situation.

if the person wanting to die is that worried then a nice brick wall would be just as good. but then what happens if the person that built the wall found out you used it to kill yourself? hed feel bad. or the poor guy that helped build your bike would regret building something that was used to kill someone. same could go for a gun,knife, etc. any action will effect someone in the end to a degree. noone knows if it will be good or negative.

the trucker might be tramatized and never drive a truck again, which could turn out to be good for some one else. he might take up a new career as a ambulance driver and save peoples lives... you never know. by not having the incident with the motorcycle he might fall asleep and kill a bus full of innocent kids.

I really, really hope you never have to find out how wrong you are about this. I would tell you to try it and find out for yourself, but I would not wish that on my worst enemy, nevermind a fellow rider, and one I like at that. Trust me, it is not something you 'just get over'.

4% of the population can kill another human being (in any way) and not be bothered by it. That's because 4% of the population are sociopaths and therefore have no emotional connection with humanity at all. The other 96% will be seriously tramatized. Yes he could fall asleep and kill a busload of people, and he would messed-up by it, but that is within his control, to some extent. And he would have to find some way to deal with it. Suicide Sammy useing his grill to do the job is not within his control and it is patently unfair to force that on another person. How can Sammy force this on other person who is just going about his life? What gives him that right?

So Sammy, ride off a cliff, eat a gun, anything. But don't involve someone else in your messed-up plans. What right do you have to force that on another person?

[BuzZz]

well i stand by that it would not effect me. that being said i have no idea untill it happens and i hope i never do.

Hhhmmm, you may be part of the 4%......

Is your neighborhood a little light on cats and dogs? Do all the squirrels seems to disappear regularly? Is there a shed in your backyard full of animal skeletons posed in normal human situations?

Just funnin' with ya, Dude.

[iwannadie]

actually i love cats, have one that i adopted from my sister, she got rid of it cause he meowd to much so ;p

well i stand by that it would not effect me. that being said i have no idea untill it happens and i hope i never do.

Hhhmmm, you may be part of the 4%......

Is your neighborhood a little light on cats and dogs? Do all the squirrels seems to disappear regularly? Is there a shed in your backyard full of animal skeletons posed in normal human situations?

Just funnin' with ya, Dude.

[BuzZz]

actually i love cats, have one that i adopted from my sister, she got rid of it cause he meowd to much so ;p

I am very glad to hear that.

[iwannadie]

actually i love cats, have one that i adopted from my sister, she got rid of it cause he meowd to much so ;p

I am very glad to hear that.

on a side note. i am a gun owner so... well leave it up in the air i suppose if im a serial killer or not.

[BuzZz]

Always keep 'em guessin'.......

[CentralOzzy]

What a weird thread