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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:42 pm
by ofblong
Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
wow that was 32 years before I was born (im only 28). I had no idea what day it was on until a post above mentioned it. I probably knew in high school but I never paid much attention in Social Studies. I hated that class and was glad to have an A in them when I was done.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:07 am
by kali
The USA and all the West should reflect on what we did to cause this situation. For the last century, first Britian and France, then the US, have attacked, killed, used, and manipulated the people and governments of the Middle East for our own gain. From CIA overthrown democratically elected governments (Iran 1950s), British drawn boundries purposely desighned to promote chaos, subjagating majority populations to minority governments... the hipocrisy, lies, stealing, and killing go on and on. Weep for the 1 million plus Iraqi civilians killed by the civilized West for oil. Weep for the Kurds gassed with US supplied chemicals. Weep for those of you that refuse to look at yourselves and how we contribute to this mess. 9/11 was nothing, NOTHING compaired to what we continue to do in Iraq.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:20 am
by kali
Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
Pearl Harbor. What a joke. After we blockaided Japan for 6 months! Starving them of food and fuel in a purposeful and succesful attempt to get them to fire the first shot. Didn't count on it being so good. All because they tried to extend their colonial rule in China beyond the boundries the West set for them in a colony sharing arraingment with the US, Britian, Russia, France. All less than a century (time moved much more slowly then) after the US forced open Japan at gunpoint with our gunboat diplomacy. And not long after Britians opium war and taking of Hong Kong. Please stop sobbing because unthinking sad sacks actually swallow their patriotism whole instead of using their god given minds to think for themselves. Do us a favor and keep this crap to yourself before you infect someone else.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:03 am
by ofblong
kali wrote:Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
Pearl Harbor. What a joke. After we blockaided Japan for 6 months! Starving them of food and fuel in a purposeful and succesful attempt to get them to fire the first shot. Didn't count on it being so good. All because they tried to extend their colonial rule in China beyond the boundries the West set for them in a colony sharing arraingment with the US, Britian, Russia, France. All less than a century (time moved much more slowly then) after the US forced open Japan at gunpoint with our gunboat diplomacy. And not long after Britians opium war and taking of Hong Kong. Please stop sobbing because unthinking sad sacks actually swallow their patriotism whole instead of using their god given minds to think for themselves. Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
so because of the government we should be saying it was the soldiers who died fault. They shouldnt have been their defending our country.
Wake up.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:42 am
by BuzZz
kali wrote: lipflap, flappinlip, lipflap.........Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
Do
us a favor and just pull your turban down over your eyes and allow us to honor the solders who died fighting so we could live in countries where you can say garbage like that without fear of being forced into a cattlecar in the middle of the night for a train ride to oblivion, eh?
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:10 am
by kali
ofblong wrote:kali wrote:Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
Pearl Harbor. What a joke. After we blockaided Japan for 6 months! Starving them of food and fuel in a purposeful and succesful attempt to get them to fire the first shot. Didn't count on it being so good. All because they tried to extend their colonial rule in China beyond the boundries the West set for them in a colony sharing arraingment with the US, Britian, Russia, France. All less than a century (time moved much more slowly then) after the US forced open Japan at gunpoint with our gunboat diplomacy. And not long after Britians opium war and taking of Hong Kong. Please stop sobbing because unthinking sad sacks actually swallow their patriotism whole instead of using their god given minds to think for themselves. Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
so because of the government we should be saying it was the soldiers who died fault. They shouldnt have been their defending our country.
Wake up.
They were not defending 'our country' as you see the term. They died for the a$$holes that convinced them that 'our country' means the same to them as you. They died for the profit of violent aggressive corporatist and lying politicians. They were suckered paid killers. They were killed. Their children were left without dads. We should all be reconsidering who the real cause of their and our own deaths are and fight them.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:12 am
by kali
BuzZz wrote:kali wrote: lipflap, flappinlip, lipflap.........Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
Do
us a favor and just pull your turban down over your eyes and allow us to honor the solders who died fighting so we could live in countries where you can say garbage like that without fear of being forced into a cattlecar in the middle of the night for a train ride to oblivion, eh?
I think we should not be supporting the war at all. Even through indirect support of the troops. We should support them by bringing them home now so they can live long boring lives raising their children. Not dieing in vain like Vietnam.
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:29 am
by BuzZz
kali wrote: I think we should not be supporting the war at all. Even through indirect support of the troops. We should support them by bringing them home now so they can live long boring lives raising their children. Not dieing in vain like Vietnam.
And because those solders fought and died and won, you are perfectly welcome to feel that way. And I, and others, are free to honor those who died so we all could.
Your idea to 'just bring the troops home' is wonderful and all, but it's not really that easy, is it? If the 2 World Wars have taught America anything, it should be that sitting at home ignoring the rest of the world leads to big trouble, at the very least.
You think you could express your ideals like that if we were living under a combined Japanese Imperialism/party German world order?
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:02 am
by intotherain
kali wrote:Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
Pearl Harbor. What a joke. After we blockaided Japan for 6 months! Starving them of food and fuel in a purposeful and succesful attempt to get them to fire the first shot. Didn't count on it being so good. All because they tried to extend their colonial rule in China beyond the boundries the West set for them in a colony sharing arraingment with the US, Britian, Russia, France. All less than a century (time moved much more slowly then) after the US forced open Japan at gunpoint with our gunboat diplomacy. And not long after Britians opium war and taking of Hong Kong. Please stop sobbing because unthinking sad sacks actually swallow their patriotism whole instead of using their god given minds to think for themselves. Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
Not only that but the US ignored several warnings from other navies (French?) that unidentified ships were heading toward Pearl Harbor... Were the US just anxious to get in the war??
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:01 pm
by ofblong
kali wrote:ofblong wrote:kali wrote:Septimus wrote:Sixty years later, how many of us notice the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?
Don't get me wrong -- I live in NYC and people who were downtown at the time are still shaken up when they talk about it, but for everybody else who wasn't directly affected in some way, it's already the distant past.
Pearl Harbor. What a joke. After we blockaided Japan for 6 months! Starving them of food and fuel in a purposeful and succesful attempt to get them to fire the first shot. Didn't count on it being so good. All because they tried to extend their colonial rule in China beyond the boundries the West set for them in a colony sharing arraingment with the US, Britian, Russia, France. All less than a century (time moved much more slowly then) after the US forced open Japan at gunpoint with our gunboat diplomacy. And not long after Britians opium war and taking of Hong Kong. Please stop sobbing because unthinking sad sacks actually swallow their patriotism whole instead of using their god given minds to think for themselves. Do us a favor and keep this "crumb" to yourself before you infect someone else.
so because of the government we should be saying it was the soldiers who died fault. They shouldnt have been their defending our country.
Wake up.
They were not defending 'our country' as you see the term. They died for the a$$holes that convinced them that 'our country' means the same to them as you. They died for the profit of violent aggressive corporatist and lying politicians. They were suckered paid killers. They were killed. Their children were left without dads. We should all be reconsidering who the real cause of their and our own deaths are and fight them.
I ment they help defend our country not that they were defending sorry. But They died FOR our country which obviously has blinded you and you feel they were idiots for doing so. I feel sorry for you and hope you dont die on your own self preservating words that make you well kinda ignorant. Yeah the government caused them to die by not following clues but they died because they loved their country unlike you.