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motoken wrote:

ofblong wrote:kind curious how the verticle pacwind is better than a fan???? thanks for the links I will def check out more about that pacwind when Ihave more time to do so.

I'm not sure if the fan styles turn into the wind or if they are a fixed direction.
The vertical type wouldn't really matter which direction the wind is coming from.

hmm that makes sense. It does require a smaller mph wind to get moving as well.

we have quite a few calm days mixed in with windy days. I mean one day its 40mph winds and the next its 1 or 2 mph winds if we are lucky. Thus why the solar system would come in handy .

motoken wrote:

ofblong wrote:kind curious how the verticle pacwind is better than a fan???? thanks for the links I will def check out more about that pacwind when Ihave more time to do so.

I'm not sure if the fan styles turn into the wind or if they are a fixed direction.
The vertical type wouldn't really matter which direction the wind is coming from.

hmm that makes sense. It does require a smaller mph wind to get moving as well.

we have quite a few calm days mixed in with windy days. I mean one day its 40mph winds and the next its 1 or 2 mph winds if we are lucky. Thus why the solar system would come in handy . I realize I prob wont be able to always run just off the wind power/solar power but at least I would be not only lowering my bills after 10 years (thats considered to be the normal payback nowadays) I would be helping lower cost of oil and coal used to produce our electricity. course bying a hybrid would help as well but thats for further down the road when I am able to buy a flexfuel truck .

Hold off buying that flex-fuel vehicle for now, this might not be too far down the road.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

motoken wrote:Hold off buying that flex-fuel vehicle for now, this might not be too far down the road.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

I'd like an explanation of where the H2 comes from

From what I understand they separate it from oxygen in water. Here's another site that might be worth looking at.

http://www.hgenerators.com

or this

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 12844.html

All of it looks expensive right now though.

lol im looking at 5 years from now so things will most likely change before I am able to buy any of this stuff for that matter. But I would rather learn beforehand than afterwards

motoken wrote:From what I understand they separate it from oxygen in water. Here's another site that might be worth looking at.

http://www.hgenerators.com

or this

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 12844.html

All of it looks expensive right now though.

Here comes the irony of it all: There is no free lunch. Although H2 is being promoted as a zero emmisions fuel the reality of it is that it takes LOTS of energy to crack it out of water. Currently most H2 production comes from the cracking of natural gas. I do this for a living. There is LOTS of CO2 as a by-product both from the process gas stream and the flue gas from the furnace required to provide the incredible energy input to make the reaction happen. And the reaction also requires steam.....lots of steam, generated with: you guessed it natural gas (and waste heat from the reaction).

I've also read that all of the water flowing over Niagra Falls would amount to a small percentage of what the USA would need to fuel H2 powered cars. Salt water is not a viable option for obvious reasons.

Every 6 months for the past 20 years there is another giant breakthrough in H2 generation that promises to change the world, yet none of them ever materialize (it's big business and if it was viable we would be on it already) Until "it" happens zero emmision vehicles will only mean at the vehicle itself. There is a carbon shed somewhere but not at this car, no sir. It is a zero emmisions vehicle!

High_Side wrote:

motoken wrote:From what I understand they separate it from oxygen in water. Here's another site that might be worth looking at.

http://www.hgenerators.com

or this

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/.html

All of it looks expensive right now though.

Here comes the irony of it all: There is no free lunch. Although H2 is being promoted as a zero emmisions fuel the reality of it is that it takes LOTS of energy to crack it out of water.


Unfortunately very true. If people think it's bad now wait till the billion+ Chinese or billion+ Indians start buying cars. I hope we can find something soon, at least to make a dent in the foreign oil imports.