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zulu warrior wrote:

ofblong wrote:

dr_bar wrote:If you're only riding on the street, you'll NEVER use the full potential of a litre bike. (at least not legally...)

depends on what you mean by potential. If your talking as fast as you can possibly go then yes your right. BUT if your talking getting into traffic as fast as you can thats a different story.

For me, acceleration is a bigger deal for me. I don't need to go 100mph. Too old for that (38yrs)

Have you looked into changing the gearing on your current bike? Changing the sprockets can sacrifice top end speed for more get up and go. Dropping a tooth in the front sprocket may satiate your acceleration needs for a few years.

That's true, I completely forgot how long you'd been riding. Honestly that 650 with one down in the front or two up on the rear oughta make sure you get some "Whee" factor going again.
And as far as it being a commuter bike, I'd basically never recommend a supersport for just that. If you're looking for a faster commuter bike I'd say look into something like a GSX650F or a Yamaha FZ6. Something along those lines
Wrider

hehe my bike can barely hold 70mph going up a hill with my wife and I on it. I would rather get a bigger bike that change sprockets .

I just can't get over the looks of the new CBR1000RR. The one before that was IMO the best looking liter bike out there, now it's hands down the ugliest.

shalihe74 wrote:My opinion is that liter sportbikes are too much for the road in general, and waaaaay too much for a commuter bike. You'll spend all of your time in 2nd gear

Actually you got it the other way around. One of the reasons you get a liter bike is so you don't have to be in second gear. That's what you do with a 600. The roll on power of a literbike, even in top gear is sooo incredible on, you most likely always have it in a higher gear.

Skier wrote:

zulu warrior wrote:

ofblong wrote:

dr_bar wrote:If you're only riding on the street, you'll NEVER use the full potential of a litre bike. (at least not legally...)

depends on what you mean by potential. If your talking as fast as you can possibly go then yes your right. BUT if your talking getting into traffic as fast as you can thats a different story.

For me, acceleration is a bigger deal for me. I don't need to go 100mph. Too old for that (38yrs)

Have you looked into changing the gearing on your current bike? Changing the sprockets can sacrifice top end speed for more get up and go. Dropping a tooth in the front sprocket may satiate your acceleration needs for a few years.

sprocket change is a HUGE improvment for the 650R's, at least according to a bunch of guys on the 650r forums when i bothered visiting it. Getting some new/better brake pads and stainless brake lines will make it a bit more "sporty".

HYPERR wrote:

shalihe74 wrote:My opinion is that liter sportbikes are too much for the road in general, and waaaaay too much for a commuter bike. You'll spend all of your time in 2nd gear

Actually you got it the other way around. One of the reasons you get a liter bike is so you don't have to be in second gear. That's what you do with a 600. The roll on power of a literbike, even in top gear is sooo incredible on, you most likely always have it in a higher gear.

Even when you're doing 15 mph (at best) in stop and go traffic? Or do you have a secret to starting from a stop in 6th?

shalihe74 wrote:

HYPERR wrote:

shalihe74 wrote:My opinion is that liter sportbikes are too much for the road in general, and waaaaay too much for a commuter bike. You'll spend all of your time in 2nd gear

Actually you got it the other way around. One of the reasons you get a liter bike is so you don't have to be in second gear. That's what you do with a 600. The roll on power of a literbike, even in top gear is sooo incredible on, you most likely always have it in a higher gear.

Even when you're doing 15 mph (at best) in stop and go traffic? Or do you have a secret to starting from a stop in 6th?

Oh Ok maybe we are talking about two different things?

In slow traffic, the size of the bike is irrelevant as one would be in 1st or 2nd anyway, regardless of whether it has 20 HP or 200HP.

The 2nd gear analogy is usually used for 600cc sportbikes. In the backroad twisties, usually one keeps 600 sportbikes in 2nd gear or tapdance on the shifter constantly; whereas in a literbike, the low end thrust is so amazing that one can basically be lazy and keep it in 4th gear.

If you only have been riding for that short of a period, I would stay with the 650 Ninja. However if you have the urge to upgrade, I would stick with your original plan of going with a 600.

In the hands of a responsible rider, the CBR600RR could be a fairly safe beginner bike while a CBR1000RR cannot.

The CBR600RR is really two bikes in one. At the lower RPMs it is a very docile, mild manner bike. When it gets in the upper RPMs it is a monster. In another words as long as you are smooth with the clutch, you are not going to be doing accidental wheelies. Under most normal condition, it will not power wheelie in 2nd gear. The 1000RR will easily power wheelie in 2nd and 3rd and possibly in 4th.
On my 600RR, once moving, whacking the gas in 1st gear in lower rpms will not loft the front. Over 7000rpm, it becomes a different story. A quick flick will lift the front.

My Hypermotoard which probably has similar torque numbers as a CBR1000RR but 2/3 the horsepower will easily power wheelie in 2nd gear even in the mid rpms. In first gear, at any rpms, a quick flick will easily lift the front. Although my 600RR is ultimately faster than my Hypermotard 1100, I could reluctantly recommend the 600RR to a beginner whereas I would not in a million years do the same with the Hyper. I really cannot imagine this kind of torque combined with the moster HP of a 1000RR in the hands of a beginner.

Hubby rolling on the Duc, 1st gear was req for stop and go traffic. I think some of that was gearing is tall so first was real rough and chattery in low speeds. I would imagine the the CBR has a nice first gear ratio, at least better than what the Duc has.

I agree with the general feel (ignoring rider experience and based solely on bike), a 1000 would be excessive. The 600 or 750 would suit just fine.