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Choppers for the masses.

i like the Yamaha Raider

Social Distortion wrote:i like the Yamaha Raider

Not my kind of bike, but I would say the Raider is arguably the best looking cruiser on the market right now. It's actually quite awesome looking!

Johnj wrote:Choppers for the masses.

That's why the Softail is such an ingenious idea.

Ok now on the Fury , I got a dealer to let me test ride one,( was'nt not easy) . Well the handling wasn't bad for what it is. but this bike is built cheap. I has so much pastic. Dealers want $3,000. over list price. You could do better if you wait for a year for this one. For the money there are much better bikes out there. I think Honda is out of touch.

XB08 wrote:Ok now on the Fury , I got a dealer to let me test ride one,( was'nt not easy) . Well the handling wasn't bad for what it is. but this bike is built cheap. I has so much pastic. Dealers want $3,000. over list price. You could do better if you wait for a year for this one. For the money there are much better bikes out there. I think Honda is out of touch.

Same here. Big disapointment. Which is the reason I question Honda's policy of letting the marketing group call the shots. They took a concept and turned it into an appliance. They seem to have lost their focus on what a street "chopper" heart and soul is all about. Yes, it looks "tuff" but there's no spirit. And while I've heard how cr*ppy they were built, I wasn't prepared for the real thiing.

And the first Furies that the dealer will get in are sold. Also, I think they went for over MSRP. I just hope it doesn't turn people off to the whole concept of modified bikes. And I think that is the problem with the Fury. While it screams personalization and "freedom", it's just another mass produced concept bike and riders will have to adjust to it rather than a personal statement that speaks of the rider and his soul.

I still think the VTX1300 is a better bike and even in mass produced style, it is more individualistic and can easily modified to meet the riders expectations.

Ryethil wrote:They took a concept and turned it into an appliance.

What does that mean when you call a bike an appliance? That it's reliable? Is it like the old joke where they called flaws character?

HYPERR wrote:

Ryethil wrote:They took a concept and turned it into an appliance.

What does that mean when you call a bike an appliance? That it's reliable? Is it like the old joke where they called flaws character?

I believe what he is saying is that the bike has the frame of a chopper, but none of the personality.

Brackstone wrote:

HYPERR wrote:

Ryethil wrote:They took a concept and turned it into an appliance.

What does that mean when you call a bike an appliance? That it's reliable? Is it like the old joke where they called flaws character?

I believe what he is saying is that the bike has the frame of a chopper, but none of the personality.

Well, it's "she" not he but I'm use to it. I found a long time ago if you didn't speak up you would get talked over. And I guess that doesn't make me very feminine. Gee, wizz...

Yes! Appliance means "No Soul". When I was a teenager, it was a nerdish term for something that has meaning to a special group of people and then is taken over by others and made very commercial. I heard something very similar having to do with motorcycles by my dad and his friends. Harleys and Brit bikes had a intergal connection between the rider and his motorcycle. Then the Japanese came in and had the material concept of what a motorcycle should do but couldn't understand the soulfull connection between the rider and his bike. So my father said it had all the soul of a Waring blender. Hence, appliance...

Ryethil wrote:I heard something very similar having to do with motorcycles by my dad and his friends. Harleys and Brit bikes had a intergal connection between the rider and his motorcycle. Then the Japanese came in and had the material concept of what a motorcycle should do but couldn't understand the soulfull connection between the rider and his bike. So my father said it had all the soul of a Waring blender. Hence, appliance...

You see, I don't buy that cr@p about certain brand of bike has this or certain genre of bikes has that, bullsh!t. Different bikes move different souls. There are people that are just as much as obsessed with their Kawasaki Triples as they are with their Toaster Airheads, Pan Dressers, CBX Sixes,Tridents, Water Buffalos, Kingpins, or V Maxs.
Arguably the most fun bike I have ever owned is my Honda CBR600RR. It never fails to bring a smile to my face and always remind me why I ride. I would assume you would file the CBR under your "appliance" category because it is not the type of bike you like and it is virtually flawless in every way.
One cannot explain to someone else why certain bikes or cars bring a smile to their face and other's don't. The bike that turns you on or your father's may not be the bike that turns on your next door neighbor. That's what makes the world go around. Just because it doesn't turn you on or your father or you father's friends, doesn't not mean that it doesn't for someone else.