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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:04 pm
by Ryethil
ceemes wrote:Some how I doubt that would fly up here. If an employer attempted to manage an employees life style in such a draconian manner, you can bet he or she would be hit with a Charter of Rights and violation of Human Rights law suit so fast, it would make their heads spin right off their spiny little necks. And at the end of the day, the employer would be paying out big bucks to the employee in compensation.

I know that if a company I worked for attempted that dodo, I would say fine, give me a copy of the contract to mull over, and then fax it off to my lawyer asap (using the company fax machine of course) and sue the buggers for all they got.
I like your style, Maybe I should of had you instead of my lawyer. :laughing:

However, From what some of your compatriots are saying, it depends on whether the corporation thinks its that big a thing or can they get away wiht it. In my case, This is my first job and I haven't even worked a day yet. If I wasn't so mean spiritied, I would of knuckled under. I think the fact that I didn't shocked them more then angered them. But all of this could of worked out to my disadvantage real easy. :frusty:

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:40 pm
by koji52
Honestly (and I don't know too much about the EMT, paramedic or RN world), and this is from my own experience, if you have the skills and uniquely stand out from other potential employees (which it sounds like you do), I don't think you have too much to worry about. RNs are in such high demand nowadays (based on what I hear from my nursing friends), you can pretty much get a job where ever you want. Add to it the fact that you are good at what you do, and that helps you even more

I had a 2.0 cumulative GPA in college due to some very poor decisions early on, but work with people who earned 4.0s and I hold my own at work for the most part. My company is pretty conservative and they know I ride a motorcycle. I think that they do understand the importance of sound work ethic and simple ability to grasp relevant concepts, and that is why they hired me over others with higher GPAs or guys that are less risky in their lifestyle choices. I think this way of thinking applies whether you're in the financial field, medical field or any other industry. Though work is important, you do have choices so I think you're in good shape.

That's my .02

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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:13 pm
by High_Side
Ryethil wrote: My motorcycling was considered to be unlady like and not proffesional, there for not putting forth a good image.
Wow, welcome to 1955. It's hard to believe that they could (or would) throw out a statement like that in this day and age. Isn't there a discrimination suit in there somewhere?

I'm glad that you worked it out (for the most part), but they put you in a hell of a position. If it were me it would be a deal-breaker, even with the investment of 4 years or education as riding is at the core of what I am.

Hopefully this is the last that you will hear of it.

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:32 pm
by motokid
OMG, I just can't believe everything I'm reading in this thread. I also can't believe that we in eastern Europe started the whole revolutions based on a false premise that the USA was a free country :) :) :).

But seriously, if somebody in my (Canadian) company tried something like this, I'd be out the door faster than they could apologize.

K

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:17 pm
by BuzZz
I'm glad you and your employer came to an agreement. I would have a hard time with a 'no riding' clause of any type from an employer, due in no small part to my own pigheadedness.

The CR-500 wasn't the un-tamable monster it's reputation made it out to be. It was actually an easy bike to ride, if your legs were long enough and you used your head. Nothing like a bigbore 2-stroke..... I really miss that bike. :(

It translated to civilian use just fine..... what it did not translate to very well was the newer MX/supercross style tracks. Too small and too tight, yes.... overjumping things was easy to do, but it worked great as an off-road bike (I used mine for trail riding all the time) or on a nice, big natural terrain track. It was near orgasmic on a real MX track. :mrgreen:

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:00 am
by MZ33
An odd situation, to say the least. The "you are team leader and oh-so-valuable" is BS. I'm curious as to whether all physicians and upper echelon of mgmt have the same clause, although I see no point in pushing the issue now. If you do a stellar job, establish yourself, and continue to rise through the ranks, you may be able to influence such policies later on.

Non-motorcycling trauma staff are usually as paranoid about motorcycling as they are about drunk- or drugged-driving. I certainly was, largely because a rider can do everything right and still get badly hurt. In my experience, easily two-thirds of trauma victims had a hand in their predicament. One that springs to mind is the guy that fractured both heels the 4th time he jumped from the hotel balcony into the swimming pool. (Gee, it worked before . . . nothing will happen . . .) He summarizes the MSF "Ladder of Risk" nicely.

And of course, the newsworthy events around motorcycling are often gruesome, tragic, and frequently involve some level of irresponsible behavior on the part of the rider. We get bad press. Is it worse than flying small planes, skiing, riding horses? How about cutting down trees? Probably not too much. Be interesting if you could find percentages of injury for each. But the public perception of motorcycling is that it is aggressively dangerous, rebellious, and irresponsible behavior. That is what you are working against. I'll bet the hospital has restrictions on smoking, also. They don't like patients seeing healthcare workers doing unhealthy things.

Strangely enough, the percentage of firemen, police officers, paramedics and ER staff that ride seems to be higher than the general population--that is anecdotal also, but if you ever feel the need to research a masters project, there you go . . . :wink:

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:35 am
by Ryethil
MZ33 wrote:An odd situation, to say the least. The "you are team leader and oh-so-valuable" is BS. I'm curious as to whether all physicians and upper echelon of mgmt have the same clause, although I see no point in pushing the issue now. If you do a stellar job, establish yourself, and continue to rise through the ranks, you may be able to influence such policies later on.

Non-motorcycling trauma staff are usually as paranoid about motorcycling as they are about drunk- or drugged-driving. I certainly was, largely because a rider can do everything right and still get badly hurt. In my experience, easily two-thirds of trauma victims had a hand in their predicament. One that springs to mind is the guy that fractured both heels the 4th time he jumped from the hotel balcony into the swimming pool. (Gee, it worked before . . . nothing will happen . . .) He summarizes the MSF "Ladder of Risk" nicely.

And of course, the newsworthy events around motorcycling are often gruesome, tragic, and frequently involve some level of irresponsible behavior on the part of the rider. We get bad press. Is it worse than flying small planes, skiing, riding horses? How about cutting down trees? Probably not too much. Be interesting if you could find percentages of injury for each. But the public perception of motorcycling is that it is aggressively dangerous, rebellious, and irresponsible behavior. That is what you are working against. I'll bet the hospital has restrictions on smoking, also. They don't like patients seeing healthcare workers doing unhealthy things.

Strangely enough, the percentage of firemen, police officers, paramedics and ER staff that ride seems to be higher than the general population--that is anecdotal also, but if you ever feel the need to research a masters project, there you go . . . :wink:
Okay, as an update, things are changing some what. The guy I'm depending on right now is an old family friend and has been the person that the familly has called in an emergency for I don't know how many years. He's very good and he is as disgusted as I am about all this stuff that has come down. So that's one for me.

Since yesterday, I've gotten 3 counter offers from different hospitals. Part of the situation is that I chose to get my nursing degree instead of teaching but this fact that I was wanted to be an instructor is also part of my resume. So I'm getting offers to help rebuild existing ER facilities. One in the city I live in and in 2 other cities. So there are other posibilities and none of them are requireing me to stop any of my behaviors on my off time. The corperation/hospital has admitted that they have no other canidates for the job. Which is kind of frightening for what are they expecting from me.

However, the corperation that I want to go work for has a reputation for being *ssh*les and as a for profit company, they really work for the bottom line among other things. I don't know what the upper management does or doesn't do. However, newly hired doctors and middle mangement types complain about excessive intrusion into their private lives. I had heard this before but it it didn't affect me at the time.

Nevertheless as I speak, a middlemangement type from the company itself has called my lawyer and my lawyer is expecting a return call soon. It seems that they might have been a bit hasty and now want to wipe the slate clean. My lawer thinks they want me to feel my best working for this company/hospital and don't want any hard feelings between them and me. The very fact that they are trying so hard to get me, an American instead of an alien because they can pay less for them, shows that there is something in me that they want from me. So I'm just waitng for them to make a counter offer.

As for the situation I find myself in, the ACLU and the national nurses advocacy group both have said that with the increase of nurses salaries due to the shortage of qualified nurses, that many nurses are complaining of overbearing on the part of these big healthcare corperations. I'm the one of the few so far to be abused over riding a motorcycle. But many have complained of being required to lose wieght to improper relationships. Smoking is a big no-no. And while nurses with experience seem to be less effected, it's the newer ones that are being pushed around.

As for emergency personnel riding more I've never noticed this but thosed that do have a tendency to be more hard core about it. But most ER people don't follow that course for most of them don't ride at all and frightened for people that do. I guess when you've seen one squid too many, you lose perspective. And to put this in perspective, the city I live in is growing or has grown so fast that it's gotten dangerous out there. To many cars and trucks occupying the same space with motorcycles and scooters is not a healthy situation.

Well, this is interesting. The hospital has dropped their concerns over my extra-curricular activities. However, they are requiring a 3 year contract to be signed. I'll still get salary increases but I can't leave for 3 years. Also I have to sign assurances that I won't smoke , do drugs or commit felonies. There is more but it's doable.

However, I've heard of other people with similar situations. And as corperations feel that they wield a bigger stick among their employees because of the economic slow down. Will this sort of thing happen to more people. I don't know what I would do if I didn't have a lawyer. (I still have to pay for him somehow.) And like seat belts, what new plans do the corperations have for our own safety?

Hey, that means I can put out more pictures. :D

:frusty:

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:00 pm
by High_Side
If you sign the contract, what happens if you leave before 3 years?

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:58 pm
by Wrider
No felonies? Means you better keep the speed down on that new ST! :laughing:

Congratulations on your boards..........

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:13 pm
by pchast
I don't understand the dificulties with this corp from my background as a NYS supervisor. In our state you are clearly covered by workman's comp going to and from work reguardless of your preferred legal mode of transport under state law. I got embroiled in a case with one of my subordinates...so I heard all about it a few years ago! Of course things may have changed yet again.

I understand you have good legal representation. I don't understand the infringement of your personal rights. I think you may also have some federal issues there especially if the corporation is interstate regardless of the location of the hospital.

A three year contract? Did they provide you any compensation in getting your ticket that they are due this?????????