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Hi Weapon

I read up some of the reviews and watched some of the downloads of Jesus Camp and it looks fascinating. So much so that I've ordered it from Amazon. It is fairly cheap to buy. I've just bought a player that will play Zone 1 DVDs as well as UK ones, so here's a chance to try it out.

I'll put up a post once I have watched it.

Thanks for highlighting this.

Cheers

Richard

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0911 ... a_dinosaur

How do you explain this? It is far older than the creationists theory.

The guys who did the dating just got it wrong, blues.... Pay no attention.

Jedi mind tricks.

Heard at Plymouth rock a few centuries ago, "Ahhh, finally we're here and we are free to practice our religion at last. All we got do do now is get rid of all these damn Indians." dayll

I saw Jesus Camp about 5 times... ONLY because I ran the film at an independent movie theater where I used to work. (my boss had debated for several weeks as to whether or not she would show it at all...) It, like many, many other "documentaries" was certainly slanted to one side. The film was meant to show the craziest of the craziness lying within that culture. However, throughout history we have seen what can happen when any one line of thinking (or believing) goes to an extreme. In the end, as parents we are responsible for the upbringing of our children, and if the parents hold certain beliefs to be true in their hearts, then they will go to great lengths to educate their offspring along the same lines. Like it or not, that's the way it goes.

I agree with just about everything SV Wolf has said. Especially in regards to "guiding values". Many people who know me would say that I have a strong moral compass - a good set of values. I'm proud of this, and further proud that it comes from my heart - not from a book or a preacher. It comes from observing the world with an open, broad view, and being able to comprehend which behaviors benefit society, and which ones deteriorate society.

This doesn't mean that I'm not spiritual - it just means that I don't practice any one religion. I thank God every day that my parents didn't force religion upon me. I, in turn, will pass that same gift on to my own children. They can decide on their own whether or not they need religion in their lives.

If you want a fun peek at religion, watch Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life". WAY better than "Jesus Camp"!

Oh, and please... DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID!

Cheers,
Loonette

All religion is a racket!

Sorry to bring this post back, but you're on very shaky ground indeed here my friend...

dean owens wrote:...i very much believe in science. modern day science was started by christians trying to understand the world we live in...

Penguins wrote:Sorry to bring this post back, but you're on very shaky ground indeed here my friend...

dean owens wrote:...i very much believe in science. modern day science was started by christians trying to understand the world we live in...

wow. thread digger. i forgot about this thread. sorry i didn't reply to some of the things that were asked of me. i'll try and get to those in the coming weeks as i have time. i would like to know how i'm on shaky ground though.

just a quick list of a few
roger bacon
jean buridan
william turner
francis bacon
galileo
rene descartes
isaac newton

doing a quick search on the topic brings up LOADS of early scientists who shaped what science is today that were devout believers in God. there are still many scientists today that believe in God and believe the evidence supports that belief. i'm trying to figure out what the shaky ground is.

dean owens wrote:

Penguins wrote:Sorry to bring this post back, but you're on very shaky ground indeed here my friend...

dean owens wrote:...i very much believe in science. modern day science was started by christians trying to understand the world we live in...

wow. thread digger. i forgot about this thread. sorry i didn't reply to some of the things that were asked of me. i'll try and get to those in the coming weeks as i have time. i would like to know how i'm on shaky ground though.

just a quick list of a few
roger bacon
jean buridan
william turner
francis bacon
galileo
rene descartes
isaac newton

doing a quick search on the topic brings up LOADS of early scientists who shaped what science is today that were devout believers in God. there are still many scientists today that believe in God and believe the evidence supports that belief. i'm trying to figure out what the shaky ground is.

I'm not denying that many scienstists are or were religious, nor am I trying to bash you at all It's merely that the term 'modern science' is entirely context dependent. People in Japan might not find the statement "modern science was created by christians" quite in line with their own knowledge for example Perhaps modern science for us, but lets not forget that the world is a varied place