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Im going to have to disagree on the strength issue. I teach a maintenance course at three sites. Never had anyone have an issue getting a bike on a rear stand. It's all about technique. It's the same way the 80 year old grandmother on YouTube can lift a goldwing on it's side. Once you figure out the technique, you are golden

storysunfolding wrote:Im going to have to disagree on the strength issue. I teach a maintenance course at three sites. Never had anyone have an issue getting a bike on a rear stand. It's all about technique. It's the same way the 80 year old grandmother on YouTube can lift a goldwing on it's side. Once you figure out the technique, you are golden

You are actually agreeing with me on this one. I said that the less strength you have, the more technique you need. The more strength you have, the less technique you can get away with.

As for the 80yo grandmother lifting a GoldWing on its side, I have never seen the video but I will have to say that she is in the extreme minority. I don't care how much technique you have, you are going to have to have some strength to lift a GoldWing on it's side. I agree that with the proper technique, you can reduce the required strength quite a bit. BUT, you still have to have some strength. I have a hard time believing most 80yo woman has that strength.

Hyper wrote:Also BMW is the only one that makes a real centerstand.

huh

Johnj wrote:

Hyper wrote:Also BMW is the only one that makes a real centerstand.

huh

He's referring to the fact that most other centerstands aren't at the weight's center and require a bit of weight on say the front of the bike to get it off of the rear tire.
All beemers have it just SLIGHTLY off of the weight's center, it's literally the difference of a riding jacket's weight on a K1200LT to get the bike from being on the rear tire to being on the front tire.

Wrider wrote:

Johnj wrote:

Hyper wrote:Also BMW is the only one that makes a real centerstand.

huh

He's referring to the fact that most other centerstands aren't at the weight's center and require a bit of weight on say the front of the bike to get it off of the rear tire.
All beemers have it just SLIGHTLY off of the weight's center, it's literally the difference of a riding jacket's weight on a K1200LT to get the bike from being on the rear tire to being on the front tire.

Exactly. It is almost like a perfectly balanced seesaw. You can poke it with one finger to either make the rear go down or the front go down. You can remove either wheel without doing anything but putting it up on the centerstand.

HYPERR wrote:You are actually agreeing with me on this one.

I'm honored that you think I can teach a student the perfect technique from the very beginning . Sadly, while technique makes it easier, and there's relatively little to putting a motorcycle on a paddock stand, students rarely if ever employ it on their first try. The end result? The bike is still on the paddock stand.



Technique makes it easier, but it's putting a motorcycle on a paddock stand not deadlifting it. It doesn't matter if they have a ZX6 or a Goldwing, it's not an issue. Maybe you simply under appreciate the strength in women.

As to lifting the bikes, every year at the International Motorcycle Show someone runs a demonstration. Here's where technique comes into play. Some bikes like a honda rebel you can get by without it, but there are very few men that can simply push a goldwing back up without using a technique like this one. Normally harley puts it on, but just as often one of the safety groups brings in a Goldwing.

Here's a harley one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6_2VqSHBw

A goldwing one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5k4Uj3YTnY

Here's Carol Youorski who goes all around the country putting on seminars on how to right a motorcycle. She stresses that anyone can do it regardless of size. "Height and weight are only factors in where you place your body on your motorcycle," Carol says. "For example, a person who's taller has to put the center of his or her rear-end more into the middle of the seat, whereas a smaller person has to be more on the edge."

http://www.womenridersnow.com/PublicFil ... icleID=128

There are means to make it easier for yourself. One is having engine guards and bags which prevent the bike from going all the way over, or propping a top heavy bike up a bit on your gear for a better start position. However, every year a woman that weigh maybe 110 soaking wet lifts a goldwing in these demonstrations.

I've had centerstands on all my standard bikes and have been able to remove both wheels at once on any of them using the stand and a couple wood blocks under the pipes towards the front of the engine. Don't think I'd like a balanced BMW type atrrangement, the bike sitting on the front wheel when on the stand suits me. I put the bike on the stand, pull the rear wheel, put the blocks under the pipes, and then pull the front wheel. Reverse the proceedure to put back on, leaving the front down while pulling the rear wheel allows more room to get it out and in easily.

I've changed fork seals, changed steering head bearings, changed suspension links, and changed rear shocks using the centerstand and blocks as required and always say I'd never buy a bike without one but the choice of bikes without centerstands is getting leaner all the time.

storysunfolding wrote:
A goldwing one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5k4Uj3YTnY

The Wing is not actually on its side, it is at a 45 degree angle, quite a difference.

That being said, I have never seen a technique like the one that the woman is using. Very innovative. That was precisely my point. Technique is needed to overcome lack of strength. That is what the woman in the video is doing. Using technique in lieu of her lack of strength.

HYPERR wrote:The Wing is not actually on its side, it is at a 45 degree angle, quite a difference.

The great thing about a Goldwing is that it will sit at that angle without doing any damage to the bike. Besides, at 800lbs + that's still quite a lift. You can actually lay the new wings over like that and do a rear tire change...

Yeah, couldn't find the old woman one. However, stand on a wing or cruisers tires when it's on it's full side, and if it has engine guards it goes right to that point