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I phrase it this way, "You are now fully qualified to ride at 10-20 mph in a parking lot. When you get your own machine, spend some time practicing the skills you just learned, here. It is really important to continue to work on what you've learned, so they become second nature."

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Lion_Lady wrote:I phrase it this way, "You are now fully qualified to ride at 10-20 mph in a parking lot. When you get your own machine, spend some time practicing the skills you just learned, here. It is really important to continue to work on what you've learned, so they become second nature."

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I like the way you phrase it much better Lion Lady.

ibswooft wrote:I have been riding for 30 plus years. Still hate right hand turns from dead stop. Does not feel natural.

I was surprised to read this. You obviously have immense experience(30+ years) and the immense skills(riding a Katoom 450SXF MX).

Love to hang a left like flat-tracking. Can bring it over and scrub the peg or floor boards all day. Feels good and what a rush! But right has never felt good. Don't know why? Like a buddy told me, 3 lefts make a right!

A regular member on the Sport-touring.net forum phrased it very well, "You don't have 20 years of experience, you've got 1 year of experience, repeated 20 times."

>>>Get trained, practice, and re-up your training periodically to improve your riding skills.

There is so much to learn beyond the MSF or Rider's Edge courses. Including, but not limited to:
Lee Parks' Total Control, Advanced Rider's Clinic
Track Sessions
Dirt Bike School
The Riders Workshop
Stayin' Safe
etc etc

Lion_Lady wrote:A regular member on the Sport-touring.net forum phrased it very well, "You don't have 20 years of experience, you've got 1 year of experience, repeated 20 times."

That is a very bizarre statement.
So this guy has been riding for 20 years and he continues to make the same mistakes each and every year?

If you never learn anything and continue to make the same mistakes you made in your first year every year for 20 years, yes I suppose his assertion is true.

If you learn from your mistakes and learn from it and improve and gain invaluable experience from it each and every passing year, then one has 20 years of experience, not 1 year experience repeated 20 times.

ibswooft wrote:Love to hang a left like flat-tracking. Can bring it over and scrub the peg or floor boards all day. Feels good and what a rush! But right has never felt good. Don't know why? Like a buddy told me, 3 lefts make a right!

That I can relate to. Flat-tracking or supermoto style would feel more natural for me to go left as well. Regular sportbike riding or riding technical trails off road, I don't really care either way.

HYPERR wrote:

Lion_Lady wrote:A regular member on the Sport-touring.net forum phrased it very well, "You don't have 20 years of experience, you've got 1 year of experience, repeated 20 times."

That is a very bizarre statement.
So this guy has been riding for 20 years and he continues to make the same mistakes each and every year?

It seems from overhearing some riders talk (or reading some postings online), that a disturbing number of folks don't get that they could have done something differently to avoid an incident that happened to them while riding.

HYPERR wrote:If you never learn anything and continue to make the same mistakes you made in your first year every year for 20 years, yes I suppose his assertion is true.

If you learn from your mistakes and learn from it and improve and gain invaluable experience from it each and every passing year, then one has 20 years of experience, not 1 year experience repeated 20 times.

The key is recognizing that you don't have to keep making the same mistakes - in order to learn how to change things/improve riding skills.
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Lion_Lady wrote: It seems from overhearing some riders talk (or reading some postings online), that a disturbing number of folks don't get that they could have done something differently to avoid an incident that happened to them while riding.

That's very true. So many times you hear someone describing an accident that the was technically the car's fault but the rider could have done something to prevent it. And since that rider is in total denial of him/her having done anything "wrong", they will never capitalize from the experience.

Markus, how is your progress?