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HYPERR wrote:

jaskc78 wrote:Some will get licensed on a Spyder and go from that directly to a liter bike and wrap it around a tree or go flying off the side of a canyon.

I don't see how anyone is going to go buy a $20K+ three wheeler to take a riding test, then get rid of it to buy a liter bike.

Don't have to buy it, just test on it.

jaskc78 wrote:

HYPERR wrote:

jaskc78 wrote:Some will get licensed on a Spyder and go from that directly to a liter bike and wrap it around a tree or go flying off the side of a canyon.

I don't see how anyone is going to go buy a $20K+ three wheeler to take a riding test, then get rid of it to buy a liter bike.

Don't have to buy it, just test on it.

You would still have to find someone that would let you borrow it. That being said, this is like talking about a finger blister when one is suffering from terminal cancer. The test is already an unbelievable joke as is, and one can already take a test on a 50cc automatic scooter. As I stated before, I believe it requires more skills to operate a Can Am than a 50cc automatic scooter so I hardly see this as even adding to the problem.

Hondagirl wrote:

HYPERR wrote: In the US, one can pass the test on a 50cc automatic scooter, then go and buy a Ducati Streetfighter. Let's face it, just about anyone that can ride a bicycle could pass the US motorcycle licensing test on a 50cc scooter automatic

Incredible. That is so hard for me to imagine. In Japan, the test has to be taken on the bike provided by the driving school. It is chosen to be suitable as a representative engine power within the tiered system of the cc range you are trying for.
The same bike you use on all your manadatory 30 road classes which have to be paid up front and you cannot take the test without them. Some have to take another 30 classes..and then the 30 lectures (safety, rules and law)with video you have to take too. Wow, it is very different in the US.

And that's the way it should be, real training, real testing, and a tiered system. The training, testing and llcensing is a complete joke in the US. Any fool with no riding ability whatsoever can pass that joke of a test. Riding/driving is not a right, it is a privilege. The funny thing is, even as difficult as it is now, I read in the early 1990s, Japan made the top tier unrestricted cc licensing test much easier. Before that, it was so difficult, having that top tier license gave you almost a legendary status as it irrefutably proved that you were a rider that possessed the most immense of skills. Like this guy in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9twUAi1Q ... re=related

Its not that easy in all states. At the time I took my driving test I had the benefit of a former motorcycle safety course instructor teaching me for several months. So it really seemed like a walk in the park because he made me work till I could make the bike do everything the best IT could. Then they required a 250 cc bike with all safety equipment installed and working properly. As scooter would not have been allowed on the test course. Since then they have shortened the test and removed several of the required skills. I am not sure if they changed the rules on what you can take the test on. As with everything else if people are failing a test they dumb it down for the masses.

Hondagirl wrote:

HYPERR wrote: In the US, one can pass the test on a 50cc automatic scooter, then go and buy a Ducati Streetfighter. Let's face it, just about anyone that can ride a bicycle could pass the US motorcycle licensing test on a 50cc scooter automatic

Incredible. That is so hard for me to imagine. In Japan, the test has to be taken on the bike provided by the driving school. It is chosen to be suitable as a representative engine power within the tiered system of the cc range you are trying for.
The same bike you use on all your manadatory 30 road classes which have to be paid up front and you cannot take the test without them. Some have to take another 30 classes..and then the 30 lectures (safety, rules and law)with video you have to take too. Wow, it is very different in the US.

Always thought the Japanese licencing system for both cars and bikes made a lot of sense. I also like the UK idea of restricting the amount of HP a new rider is allowed. Sure in the UK, a new rider can go out and buy the biggest, meanest, most powerful bike there is, but if I am not mistaken, he or she has to have their HP restricted to only 30 or 33 HP for the first year or so.

My favorite nephew turns 16 in two years time and I need a new riding buddy. So for his 16th, I am planning on enrolling him in a M/C training programme. Then look of a good used 250 or even a lovely Honda CM400 for him.

HYPERR wrote:

jaskc78 wrote:Some will get licensed on a Spyder and go from that directly to a liter bike and wrap it around a tree or go flying off the side of a canyon.

I don't see how anyone is going to go buy a $20K+ three wheeler to take a riding test, then get rid of it to buy a liter bike.

Who said anything about buying Hyperr? You can always just rent it.

Brackstone wrote:

HYPERR wrote:

jaskc78 wrote:Some will get licensed on a Spyder and go from that directly to a liter bike and wrap it around a tree or go flying off the side of a canyon.

I don't see how anyone is going to go buy a $20K+ three wheeler to take a riding test, then get rid of it to buy a liter bike.

Who said anything about buying Hyperr? You can always just rent it.

Yeah you can do that too but if someone was going to go through all that trouble of trying to exploit the system, they will probably borrow or rent a scooter instead. The test will be far easier to pass on a scooter than on this behemoth anyway.

In Colorado there are now two MC licenses. One general for all bikes and one restricted to trikes or side hacks. This is a new concept that I still don't know the details of as all testing sites do not offer the restricted test.

Wow you people are fired up.

I just thought I though a idea in the mix. MSF in my opinion is a good organization but in some states does have too much power and this power can corrupt the licensing process and end result of a safe rider.

This type of power should be reserved to the government not turned over solely to a private organizaiton.

I'm fine with a dual route for licensing but not MSF only. Just my opinion

flw wrote:Wow you people are fired up.

I just thought I though a idea in the mix. MSF in my opinion is a good organization but in some states does have too much power and this power can corrupt the licensing process and end result of a safe rider.

This type of power should be reserved to the government not turned over solely to a private organizaiton.

I'm fine with a dual route for licensing but not MSF only. Just my opinion

FLW that's not the issue here. My problem is that the insurance companies aren't going to make the proper distinction when they look at crash statistics. I'm afraid somehow this will equal my insurance rates going up because all of these vehicles are going to be classified the same.

Brackstone wrote:Am I alone in thinking this is a very bad idea?

Yes I think that's a bad idea. I would almost lean on a Spyder as being under a car license... not a bike!