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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:28 pm
by archanis
lmao

i agree about the squidly bike.

the reason i was looking at frame sliders was because i WANTED to get a new bike for my first one, and while i was learning have a way to protect it... but i think that getting a used or trade in is a better bet. if i keep the used for a bit, ill have enough to buy a better bike, and ill know how to use the bike better. dont think frame sliders are the thing for me, seeing as i dont want to botch my frame for a little paint. i have a friend that does auto body, and the only thing im worried about is bending the gas tank out of place realy. any alternatives to frame sliders besides common sence and possibly luck?

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:03 pm
by swatter555
Well, a broken fairing is pretty darn expensive to replace. Im not sure exactly how easy it is to bend the frame, but my frame sliders have saved me money up to this point. When I first got my bike I was mostly worried about dropping it at speeds of 5mph or less, they gave me a little more confidence and allowed me to worry less.

Maybe someone with experience with frame sliders and bent frames could enlighten you as to what happened to him/her.

Getting a bike with good balance and a low center of gravity are important, that will help you alot at low speeds. Other than frame sliders, that is what I would recommend.

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:27 pm
by Mintbread
I have heard of instances where insurance companies would not come to the party after frames were bent due to the use of frame sliders. So it would be worth checking with your insurer prior to installation just to be sure.

If you have a naked bike the way to go may be NRC engine covers.
http://www.motoparts2go.com/en-us/dept_345.html

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:25 am
by archanis
thanks for the info, but getting a 1000-2000 dollar used bike like a gs500-e or f sounds like a cheaper thing to do for a year or so. that way i would have more money for a better bike later. besides. at 5-6 hundred dollars for riding gear, 200 four the rider course, and 6-7 thousand for the bike itself, i would be half way to breaking the bank

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:14 am
by swatter555
Good decision. You will be very happy with your decision 6-12 months from now, when your skills wont be holding you back.

I got a brand new SV650S, and I was constantly worried about dropping and dinking up my pretty, new bike. You going to have an easier time of it than me. Good luck.

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:23 am
by archanis
in reality, i dont have time for a large learning curve. the riding season is 6 months, 7 if your lucky, and im going to be spending a good portion of that learning tips and skils needed for the road.

my common sence is talking, but what i realy want to do is be squidly and get a realy nice bike and never drop it. fat chance though, with my luck with expensive things and lack of knoledge... it comes to a grand total of 'oh $h!!!!!!!!t' when i drop my brand spankin new shiney red baby, and make a not so shiney but very new scratch on my shiney EXPENSIVE paint job.

you know what they say, we were all our own super heros when we were kids :mrgreen: guess the ego is going to have to sit this one out

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:35 am
by swatter555
Take the used 500 for a season, then sell it. The next season you will be very happy with yourself. Not only will you have your dream bike, you wont have to worry about dropping it at a stop light or some other stupid newb place.

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:21 pm
by swatter555
Here is a first hand frame slider experience, its long but helpful:


Originally posted on socalsvriders
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HIT AND RUN

Had my first accident Friday at 8:30am on the way to work riding on my '02 SV650s.
I was in the 3rd lane closest to the sidewalk driving North on Sepulveda and 6th St. in Manhattan Beach "sniping the gully" when a black Mercury Mountaineer gunned a left turn right in front of me. The cars in the first two lanes had left him room to turn while the third lane was wide open and he didn't slow down to see if anyone was coming. Horrible blind spot for either party.

I slammed on the brakes, swirved left, and lowsided under his tail end while my right shoulder smacked the back of the truck. The impact propelled me face first into the pavement with tremendous force. I can still hear the sound of my helmet cushioning the blow and working marvelously.

The first thing I though was "my bike is "messed"" and the second thing was "where the hell is that driver". I looked eastdown 6th st. and I saw an SUV braking so I thought the driver was pulling over and was going to return to the scene.

ONLY ONE person got out of his truck and asked if I was ok, then managed to lift my bike and push it to the shoulder. Next thing I know he was gone, as was the driver who cut me off.

As far as my health, I'm god damned lucky I'm ok. I went to the ER and had a CT Scan, x-rays, and nothing, just a concussion from the impact. I felt real tired and very slow for the first few hours after the crash. Today, my right shoulder is very little stiff. MY GEAR SAVED MY "O Ring". The shoulder pad on my jacket probably saved my scapula and clavicle and my mother f'ing helmet saved my lower jaw. Judging from the grooves carved out of the lower front half of my helmet, I'm lucky I still have teeth. Besides some stiffness, the only other mark I have is some mild road rash on my left knee from wearing denim jeans which would be nothing if I had leather pants. I will never ride without gear again. Remember, this was a surface street going under 45!!

Bike: FRAME SLIDERS!!! saved my SV. At least an inch was worn off the end of the left slider and not a scratch on the frame.
My shifting peg was snapped off and there is a quarter size dent on my right tank which I'm pretty sure was caused by hitting the SUV.

The moto-cop who came to the scene was cool as hell and we're both on a mission to find the bastrd. It was a Black Mercury Moutaineer with the first two letters on the plate 5M...

WTF is wrong with people these days??? while I was on the shoulder trying to figure out who I was and what just happened, cars were honking because I was in the way...

Regardless of who was at fault, leaving the scene of an accident has to be the biggest "wimp" manoeuver I can think of...

According to the cop, the intersection(which has no traffic lights) has accidents like that all the time and recently a biker was taken out for good in the same type of collision....RIP

thanks for listening and SLOW DOWN in those blind intersections while sniping the gully because who knows what prick in an SUV will try to take you out.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:35 pm
by archanis
hmmm... makes me wish i could do an experiment. or two to find the physics of that situation, and what could have happened differently.

frame sliders are looking like an ok deal at lower speeds, but not such a hot idea on highway driving. they appear to be perminent... soooo... damn, now im stuck in the middle again.

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:40 pm
by Mintbread
A bloke from a Bandit forum I frequent had glowing reports about the sliders he installed:

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't...