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The point Ive been trying to get across is that its not the bike its the rider. Same as for a car its the driver. For instence if this was a Car Forum and I came on here wanting a 6 Speed 1997 Camaro, everyone would of said oh no you cant handle that much power it will be breaking loose in 3rd. What you need to do is buy a Honda. It is much slower and if you want try and find a 5-Speed so you can learn to work the clutch. Which yes smart thing to do for someone who doesnt know what the difference between the clutch and the brake is. But believe it or not there are people out there who can learn on bigger "Machines" than other people. Because there are some people who have no concept of driving. Lets say somebody goes out buys a Honda puts a loud "O Ring" exhaust on it and thinks he can do the things hes seen on fast and the furious and drives like a maniac. Compared to me who has respected the power motors are capable of. Learned how to drive it, practiced how to launch it, and perfected how to controll it. There are countless people that have egged me on to race them and I have simply denided them for the sake of the safety of people around because like I said some morons think its cool to bob and weave in and out of traffic run red lights and speed down side streets. So judge me as a troll or squid because this is just a website and its all type. And thats cool you like bouncing, I just cage fight. And I dont have to look like im compinsating for something like most bouncers lmao And it looks like you guys listen about as good as I do, I just asked for no one to reply and you cant even do that? Why should I listen to you people if you dont listen to me? So if you just want to call a truse just read this and laugh to your self and go on. Because if you are really here for other peoples safety and not for personal entertainment you would quit wasten your time on a stupid kid like me and help someone who will listen.

GixxerKid wrote:The point Ive been trying to get across is ....

Everyone understands the point you are trying to get across. It's crystal clear.

The point we are trying to get across, is that you're wrong.

So can we please stop talking about it now?

I'm with lionlady, it's obvious you didn't read the article at the beginning of this thread.

GixxerKid wrote:... And it looks like you guys listen about as good as I do, I just asked for no one to reply and you cant even do that? Why should I listen to you people if you dont listen to me? ...

how incredibly arrogant. not only arrogant, but putting the blame on others for your inability to stop posting is childish. if you want to be done with the subject, you don't have to post anymore. let the old slow folks keep on talking about the kid that doesn't listen while you get a busa and show everyone how to ride.

and you wondered why when it was found out that you were in high school why some said to not even worry about talking to you about this.... it's because they were afraid that you'd be the typical arrogant, childish HS student that pulls theories out of his tail with no real life experience and refuses to listen to wiser people with experience in the area so he could get his supersport. only you can prove 'em right or wrong.

wow, i still can get over the arrogance and childishness. wow.

dean owens wrote:
wow, i still can get over the arrogance and childishness. wow.

In his defense, all I can say is we were all there at onetime, but later we learned and matured. Just hope this silly brat gets that chance and doesn't wipe himself or someone else out first.

I sure hope you are right, ceemes, but he seems quite entrenched for one so young. And he seems to have the peculiar idea that he owns this thread, that he can make up rules ("if you reply, . . . etc") and that somehow this means something.

Individuals with this Cluster B Personality Disorder have an excessive sense of how important they are. They demand and expect to be admired and praised by others and are limited in their capacity to appreciate others' perspectives.

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4. requires excessive admiration

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Reprinted with permission from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth Edition. Copyright 1994 American Psychiatric Association

Well, we can hope.

MZ33 wrote:Well, we can hope.

Or, we can just stop feeding the troll.

MZ33 wrote:

Individuals with this Cluster B Personality Disorder have an excessive sense of how important they are. They demand and expect to be admired and praised by others and are limited in their capacity to appreciate others' perspectives.

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4. requires excessive admiration

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Reprinted with permission from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth Edition. Copyright 1994 American Psychiatric Association

Hey, how did you get your grubby little mitts on my psych profile????

Same as for a car its the driver. For instence if this was a Car Forum and I came on here wanting a 6 Speed 1997 Camaro, everyone would of said oh no you cant handle that much power it will be breaking loose in 3rd. What you need to do is buy a Honda. It is much slower and if you want try and find a 5-Speed so you can learn to work the clutch. Which yes smart thing to do for someone who doesnt know what the difference between the clutch and the brake is.

I did tell you to buy a honda...it'll solve most of your REAL problems

OK, so I've read your advice and I'm now sufficiently humbled and scared to come asking for guidance. Problem is: I already own a 1990 GSX600-F. If I had seen this post before I might have made a different decision, but what's done is done. I could shelve it, yes, but I've put quite a lot of time and money into getting it (and myself) road-worthy, so I'm obviously reluctant to do something quite so drastic.

So, taking in to account the inherent danger of a 600cc sports bike with a newbie rider, what steps can I take to be as safe as possible? I harbour no illusions as to my skills, reflexes or luck - they're likely worse than average. But I'm perfectly willing to listen to what you wizened old veterans have to say if it's going to keep me alive a while longer. Many things are not within my power, including those that will likely cause accidents, but what can I do about those factors which I do control to ride as safely as possible.

Here are some considerations which may or may not matter:

1. I don't drive on the highway, nor do I intend to for at least a year+. No need, no desire.
2. It's a "sport-touring" bike, not a "sport". Does that even make a difference?
3. I intend to spend the vast majority of my time on 50-70 km/h roads, mostly quiet suburban ones.

All tips and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.