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Loonette,

I would say it is ill advised to use a lethal tool to inflict less than lethal damage in today's overly litigation happy society. While your duty when acting in self defense is to end the attack, and cease hostilies when the danger of the loss of life or limb for your or your's is eliminated - doing so with any weapon that inflicts by its nature permanent damage in any fashion less than lethal is generally unwise.

Some training in hand to hand combatives could be suggested, but here in the Army the saying goes "the guy that wins H2H is the guy who's buddy shows up first with a gun." That rule certainly applies on the street as well. This is one of the reasons I carry a firearm. I do carry a knife as well, as I posted earlier - and I am trained in it's use as a weapon - however if it comes to that I strongly suspect I'd be sued and made to look more like a madman than were I too shoot an assailant.

My carry isn't soley for my own defense, or the defense of others - I frequent the outdoors, my ranch among other places, and there are plenty of slithering, and crawling creatures that require dispatching at times. I hunt with my pistol too.

Anyway, if you want suggestions feel free to PM me - I don't want to hijack the thread, or go any further off topic.

Anthony

macktruckturner wrote:Loonette,

I would say it is ill advised to use a lethal tool to inflict less than lethal damage in today's overly litigation happy society. While your duty when acting in self defense is to end the attack, and cease hostilies when the danger of the loss of life or limb for your or your's is eliminated - doing so with any weapon that inflicts by its nature permanent damage in any fashion less than lethal is generally unwise..................
Anthony

About 10 years ago, just before gun registration was rammed down our throats, I was talking to a cop in the parking lot of a local bar one night. He happened to notice the shotgun on my truckseat. He naturally asked me what I used it for. So I explained that if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I would take his legs out so he would be nice and docile for the cops when they came.....

"Don't you EVER do that!!!!" he said. "You blow as big a hole in his chest as you can, then RUN into the kitchen and grab a butcher knife and stick in his hand while he's still flopping around. Wait untill he stops flopping, then call ME. If you leave him alive, you'll be in jail and paying for his sorry existance for the rest of your life, while he won't even be charged."

Since gun registration, I have had to give up that gun as it held 8 shells and the cops knew I had it , but it is still a bad idea to come into my house unannounced at night, unless you want your torso ventilated.

The moral of the story...... if push comes to shove, your better off, legally, killing your assailant than just protecting yourself. And I blame the Lawyers

BuzZz wrote: The moral of the story...... if push comes to shove, your better off, legally, killing your assailant than just protecting yourself. And I blame the Lawyers

So...what you're saying is...we should kill the lawyers too, right?

The Eagles would support the notion

"Kill all the lawyers! Kill 'em tonight"
Get Over It - The Eagles (Hell Freezes Over!)

Old william Shakespeare might want a bit of the credit for that lyric....

I probably need to re-check this, but at one time, WA was the only state in which civil cases could not be brought in a justifiable self-defense fatal shooting. Lots of places, you kill the perp, the perp's family can come after you with a civil suit for wrongful death.

ZooTech wrote:

BuzZz wrote: The moral of the story...... if push comes to shove, your better off, legally, killing your assailant than just protecting yourself. And I blame the Lawyers

So...what you're saying is...we should kill the lawyers too, right?

I'm all for that!!! I'm sure there must be one or two lawyers who are decent people(stastically the odds say there should be anyways, I've yet to see it), too bad they have to die over a bad career choice, but nobody held a gun to thier head forcing them into law school.

I think Shakespear is likely enjoying not dealing with the petty issues of this world anymore - but the Eagles are still alive, so I'll maintain giving them credit for the line as it appears in their song

oldnslo,

You may well be correct - I honestly don't know. The general teaching today is if you feel your life is in danger, or someone else's is - shoot to kill, and make damned sure you stay in the right the whole time as there *will* be a lawsuit following. Someone will try to benefit financially from their beloved four time felon third cousin twice removed is shot to death trying to rob/rape the wrong person.

Anthony

Kal wrote:What do you call a 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?



A good start...

Or from 'the glass is half empty' side of things.....

A drop in the bucket....