While that's all fine and dandy, but i ask, how? As you saw in the vid, it didn't matter much that the "good" riders were being good. It was still the bad ones that got all the attention.anarchy wrote:
maybe if WE did make an effort, WE would be making the news...
Has a cop ever pulled you over for going the speed limit and rewarded you with $110.00? Then don't expect to make the six o'clock news for doing it, either.anarchy wrote:maybe if WE did make an effort, WE would be making the news...
As I already stated, carry insurance and make out a will. The cops are the only ones that can stop the guys doing 153mph, and they seem rather indifferent about it.anarchy wrote:and your solution is??
Even if we did show that we recognize the problem the non riding population will go AHA! bikes are dangerous because it makes you want to speed. That and also the news media will probably put in some sidestepping comments to give the story edge to make it seem there's more than 1% who do bad things on bikes.anarchy wrote:what are we doing to help curb the problem?? what efforts are we, the motorcycling community, making to help curb the few bad apples?? maybe if we have something positive to show, we can get the media to understand we recognize the problem and are interested in helping to solve it... that might be a story... but if we don't do anything, there is no story...
no - but i feel i've been rewarded by not getting a ticket, thus saving me $110.00. and i don't expect to make the news for doing something i'm supposed to be doing. just like we're not going to make the news by sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring the issue. however, if we were actually trying to do something about it and putting forth some positive effort, it might be news-worthy.ZooTech wrote:Has a cop ever pulled you over for going the speed limit and rewarded you with $110.00? Then don't expect to make the six o'clock news for doing it, either.anarchy wrote:maybe if WE did make an effort, WE would be making the news...
seems like a defeatist attitude to me - can't do anything about it, so why even try... i disagree that the cops are the only ones who can do anything about it... are the cops the only ones that can talk to these guys?? what about trying to talk to them and make them aware of the issues/concern. i guess the real problem with that is trying to catch up to them!!!ZooTech wrote:As I already stated, carry insurance and make out a will. The cops are the only ones that can stop the guys doing 153mph, and they seem rather indifferent about it.anarchy wrote:and your solution is??
maybe, maybe not... remember, in both the video clips they said several times that it was a few that were causing the problems for many... i think if they wanted to take the "bikes are dangerous because it makes you want to speed" view, they could and would have...JCViper528 wrote:Even if we did show that we recognize the problem the non riding population will go AHA! bikes are dangerous because it makes you want to speed. That and also the news media will probably put in some sidestepping comments to give the story edge to make it seem there's more than 1% who do bad things on bikes.anarchy wrote:what are we doing to help curb the problem?? what efforts are we, the motorcycling community, making to help curb the few bad apples?? maybe if we have something positive to show, we can get the media to understand we recognize the problem and are interested in helping to solve it... that might be a story... but if we don't do anything, there is no story...
it would be a start... but again, if we want it to get into the media, i think it has to be something more proactive...JCViper528 wrote:We just have to start showing people that bikes are also being used as commuters and useful workhorses and not just a weekend thing.
the non riding population will not head the "It's only a few" statement since even when a motorcycle is passing cagers get annoyed.anarchy wrote:maybe, maybe not... remember, in both the video clips they said several times that it was a few that were causing the problems for many... i think if they wanted to take the "bikes are dangerous because it makes you want to speed" view, they could and would have...JCViper528 wrote:Even if we did show that we recognize the problem the non riding population will go AHA! bikes are dangerous because it makes you want to speed. That and also the news media will probably put in some sidestepping comments to give the story edge to make it seem there's more than 1% who do bad things on bikes.anarchy wrote:what are we doing to help curb the problem?? what efforts are we, the motorcycling community, making to help curb the few bad apples?? maybe if we have something positive to show, we can get the media to understand we recognize the problem and are interested in helping to solve it... that might be a story... but if we don't do anything, there is no story...
it would be a start... but again, if we want it to get into the media, i think it has to be something more proactive...JCViper528 wrote:We just have to start showing people that bikes are also being used as commuters and useful workhorses and not just a weekend thing.
Defeatist? No. Realist would be more accurate. Define your circle of influence, then identify those things that fall inside and outside of that circle. Stopping speeders in Georgia is outside my circle, so I choose to focus my time and attention on those things I can control and/or change. Believing you can "make a difference" is both foolhearty and arrogant, because the solution needed to break through to these people would also stop all wars, murders, robberies, and other malfeasance. And if you believe you know how to do all that....well....right this way, Mrs. Clinton!anarchy wrote:seems like a defeatist attitude to meZooTech wrote:As I already stated, carry insurance and make out a will. The cops are the only ones that can stop the guys doing 153mph, and they seem rather indifferent about it.anarchy wrote:and your solution is??
okay. so john q. public, sitting in his bark-o-lounger decides he can't stop the speeders in georgia because it's outside his circle of influence... but when he sees the news report, he talks to his neighbors... and they all start banding together... and now they've manager to pull the issue within their circle of influence... and now they decide to influence changes for us... it won't happen, will it?? neither did the helmet laws... oops...ZooTech wrote:Define your circle of influence, then identify those things that fall inside and outside of that circle.
There is no greater power on this earth than a bored safety-nut with too much time on their hands. But let's not blow this issue out of proportion. We're far from seeing motorcycles banned all together, so enough with the drama.anarchy wrote:okay. so john q. public, sitting in his bark-o-lounger decides he can't stop the speeders in georgia because it's outside his circle of influence... but when he sees the news report, he talks to his neighbors... and they all start banding together... and now they've manager to pull the issue within their circle of influence... and now they decide to influence changes for us... it won't happen, will it?? neither did the helmet laws... oops...
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