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I would say I have never rode while packing a gun,but a knife....thats a different story..I always have my ole faithfull atached to my side pocket..

Well coming from the UK I was country boy and grew up with shotguns.And was taught how use and look after a gun also to respect it.When I lived down in Florida for a while I was armed everday.With my Walther PPK that still ives in Florida with my firend.

Florida being what it is I felt much safer with a gun and luckily the only time it came out of the holster was at the range.I always wore mine on my ankle as if I came of my bike it wasnt going to do so much damage to my body.If you have in a shoulder holster and come off it will act a rock as you body can absorb so shock of hitting the road but if you have a pistol in the way it will act like a great big rock.
Now that im in Canada and very safe city I dont have a firearm I do carry a knife on my boot.And do collect swords so if anyone breaks in at 2 am they will find me naked and weilding a sword.Not a pretty picture (however I think the nakedness would scare them off as apposed to the sword)
Criminals will always be able to get hold of guns.So why shouldnt the law abiding citizens be able to have them for home protection.

However I do think the best weapon for home defense would be the Jackhammer Shotgun

Type: gas-operated, select-fire,Fully Automactic
Gauge: 12
Length: 787 mm
Barrel length: 525 mm.
Weight unloaded : 4.57 kg
Capacity : 10 rounds in removable revolver-type drum magazine
Rate of fire: 240 rounds per minute

Live in Canada so... :-O or [/list]

MASHBY wrote:However I do think the best weapon for home defense would be the Jackhammer Shotgun

Type: gas-operated, select-fire,Fully Automactic
Gauge: 12
Length: 787 mm
Barrel length: 525 mm.
Weight unloaded : 4.57 kg
Capacity : 10 rounds in removable revolver-type drum magazine
Rate of fire: 240 rounds per minute

Wow, that thing is ultra-cool!!! Too bad looking at that picture is as close as I'll ever get to one.....

how is that shotgun 240 rounds per minute if it has only a 10 round magazine/drum? does the 240rounds include reload time?

cyclic rate is usually based on potential volume of fire while maintaining working order, and has been known to exceed magazine capacity/belt length on a number of arms. Some arms, at least in the military, list different rates of fire, such as how many round per minute it can be sustained without resulting in barrel burnout or worse, vs how many rounds you can dump if prepared to change barrels, and the rate of fire required to actually melt the barrel (the M249 SAW and M240B come to mind).

macktruckturner wrote:cyclic rate is usually based on potential volume of fire while maintaining working order, and has been known to exceed magazine capacity/belt length on a number of arms. Some arms, at least in the military, list different rates of fire, such as how many round per minute it can be sustained without resulting in barrel burnout or worse, vs how many rounds you can dump if prepared to change barrels, and the rate of fire required to actually melt the barrel (the M249 SAW and M240B come to mind).

i see, id rather they just show the rate of fire based on actual use also.

As far as I can tell it only really appeals to big wigs that decide what weapon systems the military uses, so they can write a report based on "potential." Otherwise, it's marketing frill - or hype. In OSUT they fed us all the cyclic rates of the M249 SAW, M240B, our M16's, etc etc etc. Firing the way you should, you'll never hit the max - and it probably isn't relevant anyway. Wide open you're not going to be hitting much, and misses don't count. A SAW will roast a 200rd belt with quickness, as will the M240B, even trusty old Ma Duece will eat up her ammo can with glaring speed if you lay on the butterflies. The question is can you control 'em, and make those rounds count.

FWIW - I never use 3rd burst, and I'd damn sure never use full auto if I had the option in a rifle. Machine gun - sure, but even then unless it's sheer volume of fire I'm going for - I'll be sending love down range in 3-5 round bursts. Rifles/pistols - controlled pairs.

YMMV SSFD VWP

Anthony

macktruckturner wrote:As far as I can tell it only really appeals to big wigs that decide what weapon systems the military uses, so they can write a report based on "potential." Otherwise, it's marketing frill - or hype. In OSUT they fed us all the cyclic rates of the M249 SAW, M240B, our M16's, etc etc etc. Firing the way you should, you'll never hit the max - and it probably isn't relevant anyway. Wide open you're not going to be hitting much, and misses don't count. A SAW will roast a 200rd belt with quickness, as will the M240B, even trusty old Ma Duece will eat up her ammo can with glaring speed if you lay on the butterflies. The question is can you control 'em, and make those rounds count.

FWIW - I never use 3rd burst, and I'd damn sure never use full auto if I had the option in a rifle. Machine gun - sure, but even then unless it's sheer volume of fire I'm going for - I'll be sending love down range in 3-5 round bursts. Rifles/pistols - controlled pairs.

YMMV SSFD VWP

Anthony

ive never fired any real assault rifels(besides an ar15). but man there was some video game i used the SAW in alot i think it was the first Ghost Recon. crazy gun i liked it alot hah.

i was looking at full auto conversions for pistols(as they are legal in my area now). a full auto pistol with a 20-40round clip seems crazy, but would you be able to actually hit anything with that? seems like after the first shot youd be shooting into the air missing anything that mattered. it would be cool at the range to let it open with a full auto(if theyd even allow it) but for actual use i dont see it working out.