So who will it be for everyone this time?

[blues2cruise]

I'm sorry I posed a couple of questions....I did not expect people to jump down my throat for asking a couple of questions. sheesh.....

I was hoping for some educated responses but alas I got blasted.....

there was no need for that.

[Johnj]

Come on now, who jumped down your throat. All I did was point out that the people who would vote on that issue alone don't count much out of the 301 million of us. I also implied that those who would are intelligence challenged. I don't recall this issue even being brought up in this election.

Obama: Voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to suit. Also, as Illinois state lawmaker, supported ban on all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.

McCain: Voted against ban on assault-type weapons, but in favor of requiring background checks at gun shows. Voted to shield gun-makers and dealers from civil suits.

Now I don't like eithers position.
Obama wants to ban my pistol. Like 95% of gun owning Americans my Canadian Ingles Hi-Power has only been used, by me, for target shooting. The gun was produced in Canada during WW2 and was sold to England. At some point during the early 1980s England sold the gun to the New Colt Co, who refurbished it, before I bought it at a gun store in 1985.
McCain on the other hand seems to favor the regulation style, place a bunch of challenges for the individual to overcome before the legal purchase.
Do you know I can't go to a gun show and buy a gun. I've never been arrested, as an adult, let alone convicted of a crime. No domestic violence, no bar-room brawls, no DUIs, no mental health problems. I have been caught speeding a couple of times, and I made an illegal left turn one time. I can't pass the "Insta-Check" because I served in the Marine Corp back in the '70s and had a top secret clearance.

Mean while, back in the hood, Marty the punk goes to his cousin Cletus and buys a MAC-11 for $100 so he can take down a gas station and get some preses to cop some bling...or something like that.

[Shorts]

I'm sorry I posed a couple of questions....I did not expect people to jump down my throat for asking a couple of questions. sheesh.....

I was hoping for some educated responses but alas I got blasted.....

there was no need for that.

Blues, no one blasted you. Rather than go off on a long-legged explanation about 2A I wanted to hear where you were coming from first and reply to specific questions from you rather than a vague ideal. What I wanted to avoid was a complete degradation of the topic and open the door for anti-gunners to start arguing back over why they don't agree with my perspective.


There are educated responses to be given, I'm just waiting for your questions is all.

[Shorts]

Things like this is how guns are slowly taken away:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... un_battle/


Nalian, this is in your backyard. I don't know what you or yours do to stay safe and protect yourselves, but if firearms is a consideration - it may not be for long with chuckleheads like that in office.


Edit: The above link is one example of the many propositions put forth by our elected leaders. When you have officials who go to these drastic and frankly stupid lengths to stop me from handling an object I safely and responsibly handle, I'm against that. It is the slow erosion of the things I can legally and safely do that I absolutely cannot stand for. Little by little, piece by piece legislation is introduced and passed and introduced and tweaked and passed that prohibits me from doing something with my life that I choose to do and I have the Constitutional right to do.

[jstark47]

Things like this is how guns are slowly taken away:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... un_battle/


Nalian, this is in your backyard. I don't know what you or yours do to stay safe and protect yourselves, but if firearms is a consideration - it may not be for long with chuckleheads like that in office.


Edit: The above link is one example of the many propositions put forth by our elected leaders. When you have officials who go to these drastic and frankly stupid lengths to stop me from handling an object I safely and responsibly handle, I'm against that.

Shorts, while I'm generally pretty civil liberterian, the problem is in some of our northeast cities there's a crisis of gun violence going on. I imagine Boston is like that. Philadelphia and Camden, NJ, in my backyard, are basically under siege - the murder rates are appalling. In a time like that, people will support erosion of civil liberties in trade for simple safety. There's great popular support in these cities now for curtailment of the right to have a handgun.

[Shorts]

Shorts, while I'm generally pretty civil liberterian, the problem is in some of our northeast cities there's a crisis of gun violence going on. I imagine Boston is like that. Philadelphia and Camden, NJ, in my backyard, are basically under siege - the murder rates are appalling. In a time like that, people will support erosion of civil liberties in trade for simple safety. There's great popular support in these cities now for curtailment of the right to have a handgun.

Thing is, it won't fix the problem. Finding a creative and new way to ban guns is grasping at straws. At the end of the day, they do nothing to reverse the sieges under way. By constantly proposing these cockamamie laws, elected officials APPEAR to be trying to fix things. "But I passed gun control laws, I am "doing something" about crime and trying to clean up our streets".

Fact of the matter is, appearing to fix the problem and actually fixing the problem are two very different things. Unfortunately, common citizens are oblivious and naive enough to think "Hmm, more gun laws = good. That sheriff is good. I will re-elect that guy".


What happened to the war on drugs? Maybe they should target that for a while, make new rules to ban drugs. Obviously, we need more drug control. There isn't enough drug controls laws on the books and if we had more then the drug problems would be fixed. ...tongue in cheek...


The next thing is, why does the rest of the country take the weight of a specific area's rash decisions when these bills start making it to a federal level? Look at Chicago. That's where Mr Constitutional Law himself came from and that city is a festering hole, it has so many problems, and guns are prohibited there.

So what is the answer?

[blues2cruise]

I'm sorry I posed a couple of questions....I did not expect people to jump down my throat for asking a couple of questions. sheesh.....

I was hoping for some educated responses but alas I got blasted.....

there was no need for that.

Blues, no one blasted you. Rather than go off on a long-legged explanation about 2A I wanted to hear where you were coming from first and reply to specific questions from you rather than a vague ideal. What I wanted to avoid was a complete degradation of the topic and open the door for anti-gunners to start arguing back over why they don't agree with my perspective.

I guess I misinterpreted your post to me. That's the problem with the internet sometimes.

All is good.


There are educated responses to be given, I'm just waiting for your questions is all.

[blues2cruise]

Johnj...thank you. Knowing how important guns are to the US people, your answer helps to make some sense of the 2 contenders.

Up here the majority of people do not have a gun....those that do and are the honest ones have them registered...but before you can own a gun, you have to go take a firearms course and get a ticket.....

There have been gang related shootings here lately but the average person doesn't pack.

[Shorts]

Blues, if you're interested, there's a couple videos that are aimed at historically explaining the 2A. I think they are very well put together, but this is a pro 2A series and I am pro 2A. So, everyone's mileage may vary.


Part One

Part Two

Part Three

[blues2cruise]

Blues, if you're interested, there's a couple videos that are aimed at historically explaining the 2A. I think they are very well put together, but this is a pro 2A series and I am pro 2A. So, everyone's mileage may vary.


Part One

Part Two

Part Three

I, the person.....understand now know why it is so important to you. Thanks for those videos. They were very informative.