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DirtyD86 wrote: You are at risk simply by being in an automobile. Does that mean it is unsafe? No.

Ummmm! Errrrrr! Hell, Dirty, that's a strange kind of logic you have there. It's safe being at risk.... Mmmmm?????

Beats me!

ArticHarleyMan, +1. I think you've made your point.

DirtyD86 wrote:

ArcticHarleyMan wrote:

DirtyD86 wrote:snip.... its a 55mph zone all the way through. we rarely ever get above 100 even in the straights. im not saying that we arent putting people at risk and breaking laws , i can admit that no problem. however that news cast made the sportbike riders up there out to be absolute maniacs with no regard for anyone but themselves, which is absolutely untrue. most of us maintain a spirited pace throughout the mountains, but we are not making the roads unsafe for drivers. louder, without question, but not dangerous.

And for your comment (first bold highlighted), it is negated by your second comment (second bold highlighted).

You are at risk simply by being in an automobile. Does that mean it is unsafe? No. I stand by my comment.

People go walking or jogging for their health and to stay fit... yet there are those who get hit by a vehicle, have a heartattack, get mugged, or get murdered...

Meteorites have actually been known to slam through houses and even kill residents... people have died in their sleep... blah blah blah

There is risk in everything dirty... you know you only need 1 inch of water to drown... yet people still use bathtubs...

There is a difference from using something that could be dangerous, and using something to do things that may endager yourself or others.

Every mass produced bike that rolls of the manufacturing line isn't inheriently dangerous... its the human element and other factors found on the road that can raise the risk.

Guns don't kill people, people using guns kill people

So yea, +1 to SV and Artic

ArcticHarleyMan wrote:
Please have some consideration for the other LEGAL operators on the roads. If you want to run twisties, find, or lobby for construction of, a LEGAL race track.
When I got into racing, we approached the City Council and it took 3 years to convince them to even allow us to build a track, but it was built. Road racing dropped almost to zero and the only ones hurt were the bikers on the track, not some innocent 'tourist' or commuting civilian.
Rant over.

I had to shorten it to make a reasonable size post.

Yeah, unfortunately it's the only way to survive in this gosh city of mine. I see cars drive by at pretty much 15 - 20 over the limit and that includes regular streets. Try riding the speed limit and you always have one car thinking they should just pass you by going over the double yellow and merge back in while your near their rear end regardless of braking because some "O Ring" was tailgating you after the other guy passed. You weave in and the driver becomes scared and stays far away, you split lanes to get to the front of the light will save you the headache of an idiot inching into your rear for unknown reasons.

Obey the rules and you get burned, be a BIT reckless and chances are the cager you passed will notice you but hold all of us in a bad light.

And don't use the innocent 'tourist' or commuting civilian thing cause many of the ones I encounter do much worse from cab drivers to inattentive people in a rush to get somewhere. Looking at the paper today some "dog" died after hitting a tree because she swerved off the road while putting on make-up. The paper made such tasks as mundane normal everyday driving. I bet you if there was a biker hit by her they would demonize the biker.

Going to the city and state results in nothing because we're in the way of traffic. As soon as I get a car then I can do the same to two wheelers.

JCViper528 wrote:
Yeah, unfortunately it's the only way to survive in this gosh city of mine. I see cars drive by at pretty much 15 - 20 over the limit and that includes regular streets. Try riding the speed limit and you always have one car thinking they should just pass you by going over the double yellow and merge back in while your near their rear end regardless of braking because some "O Ring" was tailgating you after the other guy passed. You weave in and the driver becomes scared and stays far away, you split lanes to get to the front of the light will save you the headache of an idiot inching into your rear for unknown reasons.

Obey the rules and you get burned, be a BIT reckless and chances are the cager you passed will notice you but hold all of us in a bad light.

And don't use the innocent 'tourist' or commuting civilian thing cause many of the ones I encounter do much worse from cab drivers to inattentive people in a rush to get somewhere. Looking at the paper today some "dog" died after hitting a tree because she swerved off the road while putting on make-up. The paper made such tasks as mundane normal everyday driving. I bet you if there was a biker hit by her they would demonize the biker.

Going to the city and state results in nothing because we're in the way of traffic. As soon as I get a car then I can do the same to two wheelers.

Getting hot under the collar because bikers are discriminated against is one thing. Getting p1ssed off with cagers who drive dangerously and put bikers at risk is another. I'll join you in those. Too damned right! And I'll go along with you that there are situations where you just need to look after yourself and sod the law.

But nothing justifies putting other people's lives at risk by dangerous riding for the hell of it.

There is still something called 'individual responsibility' whatever other people do.

'Tourists and commuting civilians' are not some kind of composite animal. The guy in the car you smack into because you are riding dangerously might have sent a dozen bikers down the road or he might be some guy who has never committed a traffic offence in his life. You don't know. Neither do I.

And personally, I don't think it matters.

The only ones who think the report was biased are the ones who are basiclly saying that they ARE the bad ones.Dirty should have his M suspended and anyone else who tries to make lame assed excuses should too.
It's stupid period.Yeah,it's fun to go fast but like I said before rent a track!! Road ATL leases the track out so talk to them.I'm sure you guys could afford to buy track time seeing as how you are rich enough to risk damaging your ride,your head and the lives and property of others.YOU are you the ones making it harder on the good ones.And as for the report,the guys says like 5 times that it's a minority of riders and that MOST bikers are safe and responcible.
I guess it's hard to listen when the one in the wrong is you.

chrismeyer wrote:The only ones who think the report was biased are the ones who are basiclly saying that they ARE the bad ones.Dirty should have his M suspended and anyone else who tries to make lame assed excuses should too.
It's stupid period.Yeah,it's fun to go fast but like I said before rent a track!! Road ATL leases the track out so talk to them.I'm sure you guys could afford to buy track time seeing as how you are rich enough to risk damaging your ride,your head and the lives and property of others.YOU are you the ones making it harder on the good ones.And as for the report,the guys says like 5 times that it's a minority of riders and that MOST bikers are safe and responcible.
I guess it's hard to listen when the one in the wrong is you.

Images are more powerful than the words that come out of that reporter's mouth. And as for you saying I'm the bad one let's get one thing straight I got a ticket when I ran from some "O Ring" who thought it was fun to tail me. Ride in the right to let him pass, no go. Slow down a bit and the guy starts slamming his brakes and swerves and flashes his light and honks shortly after. He gunned his engine but I split instead of being an idiot an sees what happens after.

Same road weeks later and I'm doing the 35mph limit. Cagers blast past me at 50 - 60 mph but there was no cop this time. I'm not much of a speed freak because I hate having my bike whine and instead would like a gently thrum of an engine so basically I have a slow bike. Hell I even detuned it to get more of a '60's Triumph feel to it.

I said over and over again that being a BIT reckless gets you noticed, don't go overboard, but it also holds all of us in a bad light so I still obey the rules and I've got $1000 worth of damages to prove it. Come visit my city and shut the hell up.

If I seem mad well lets just say I got another ticket for blocking traffic when some cabbie kept honking at me in a no horn zone and I went over to tell him that people in front won't move. I get a ticket he doesn't. The supposedly religious holidays create self absorbed "Donut Holes" which make many New Yorkers and tourists.

Lion_Lady wrote:http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages ... geId=1.1.1
What SHOULD be done? What CAN be done?

Don't hand out motorbike licences to any kid under 25?

Seriously - we allow sexy ads for sexy bikes and throw ill-trained testosterone-laden teens onto the roads with periously little education. What else _can_ happen?

The Crimson Rider® wrote:saw that already.
the report seems very biased.

Only becauase you don't like it. As a media professional, I thought there was reasonable diligence - as much as one can expect from U.S. broadcast outlets, anyhow (they tend towards sensationalism compared to the rest of the world).

and WTF are they complaining about being passed???
their news van were moving so F-ing slow.

And that, ladies and gents, is why my insurance rates are so high. When I'm riding my pedal bike, if I'm doing the speed limit, I will take a classic "blocking position."
If people are passing me, they are _breaking the )#&*$( law)_.
Why do you think so many bikers are wiping out in corners, running over deer and other "poo poo" they didnt' see? Because THEY WERE GOING TOO FAST.

Media Weasel wrote:

Lion_Lady wrote:http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages ... geId=1.1.1
What SHOULD be done? What CAN be done?

Don't hand out motorbike licences to any kid under 25?

Seriously - we allow sexy ads for sexy bikes and throw ill-trained testosterone-laden teens onto the roads with periously little education. What else _can_ happen?

At that, I've seen a lot of riders over 25 that still behave like they were 16. How do you fix that, when grownups act that way and be ok with it?

Media Weasel wrote:Don't hand out motorbike licences to any kid under 25?

Seriously - we allow sexy ads for sexy bikes and throw ill-trained testosterone-laden teens onto the roads with periously little education. What else _can_ happen?

My first 150,000 road kms; thats what. My bike licence happened on my 16th birthday, with no crashes until after my 28th.
There goes another close-minded theory.....