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Nalian · #181 Unread post by **Nalian** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:21 am

If the McCain who gave the concession speech last night had been the same McCain that ran for president, it would have been a different election all around.

I'm still depressed about CA, but I have hopes that Obama will undo some of the BS that has been done.

JC Viper · Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:09 am

Nalian wrote:If the McCain who gave the concession speech last night had been the same McCain that ran for president, it would have been a different election all around.

I'm still depressed about CA, but I have hopes that Obama will undo some of the BS that has been done.

Nothing could've saved the McCain camp anyway. Many new and young voters decided to vote this time because they wanted someone other than an old white guy in office (stated by people in my school and many had the same sentiment) and they didn't really pay attention to his plans. Ask those who voted for Obama and many might not even know what his planned policies are.

Why are you depressed about CA?

We need Ron Paul or someone like him in the next election (skin color not a factor).

Shorts · #183 Unread post by **Shorts** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:33 pm

Proposition 8 passed - which bans gay marriage in CA.

slimcolo · Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:45 pm

Unfortunately there is one four letter word that sums up why Obama won and McCain lost.......BUSH!

The thing that really scares me are people who vote just because of race, party or age and not the real issues. (I know ppl who voted for both McCain and Obama that didn't care about the issues just race, age and/or party, which is worse not voting at all) Among my friends there were more that voted for Nader and Baldwin than for Obama and McCain combined! (about 90% would have voted for Ron Paul if he was still in)

#185 Unread post by **poet** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:08 pm

JC Viper wrote:Ask those who voted for Obama and many might not even know what his planned policies are.

What a really moronic statement.

slimcolo wrote:Unfortunately there is one four letter word that sums up why Obama won and McCain lost.......BUSH!

Truer words where never spoken.

#186 Unread post by **Wrider** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:42 pm

poet wrote:
JC Viper wrote:Ask those who voted for Obama and many might not even know what his planned policies are.
What a really moronic statement.

Actually it's not, approximately 20% of voters labeled race as an Important Issue... I don't care if you voted for Obama because he's black or voted for McCain because he's white, that's racism defined... We've been working for so long to eliminate racism, and yet it played a very arguably important role and overrode the issues in some cases.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree that it's time other than old white guys ran for office, but the fact that it was so important to so many people that it overrode issues is pathetic.

poet wrote:
slimcolo wrote:Unfortunately there is one four letter word that sums up why Obama won and McCain lost.......BUSH!
Truer words where never spoken.

Definitely agreed... Ever notice how people tend to hate whoever is president and switch to the opposite party? Yeesh, time to give a third party a try people...
Wrider

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:16 pm

Nalian wrote:If the McCain who gave the concession speech last night had been the same McCain that ran for president, it would have been a different election all around.

I'm still depressed about CA, but I have hopes that Obama will undo some of the BS that has been done.

You'll just have to make that long overdue visit to Vancouver again......

Nalian · #188 Unread post by **Nalian** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:17 pm

Wrider wrote:Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree that it's time other than old white guys ran for office, but the fact that it was so important to so many people that it overrode issues is pathetic.

Not necessarily. It is infrequent when one can't infer that another's upbringing was likely similarity to their own when they are from the same country and the same race. Is that necessarily true in the case of Obama - no. But just honestly, if someone wants to go out and vote for a candidate because they're black - so what. To them, that is an important thing and a momentous occasion. Look how long it took before we had a viable black candidate. Look how long it has been since we had Martin Luther King Jr. around hoping that his people would be treated equally.

Really, if it was just race, however, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton would have won before. While people may say race is an issue - really it was Obama that inspired them to register and go out and actually vote. It says a lot for Obama's power of persuasion.

Ironically enough for me - it's quite likely that Proposition 8 passed because Obama was a black candidate. Blacks voted in an overwhelming majority for Prop 8 to ban gay marriage - around 65% according to exit polls. Had Obama been a white guy, I have to wonder if it would have made it.

#189 Unread post by **poet** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:19 pm

Wrider wrote:Actually it's not, approximately 20% of voters labeled race as an Important Issue...

1. The reason people voted does not mean they do not know stated policies or positions of a Candidate.
They are not the same thing
It is also not the reason I called the statement moronic, so your comment on it is also irrelevant

2. The statement in question is generic and applies to voters of all candidates.
DEM
REP
IND
GRN
LIB

et al

136,000,000 +- voted.
They all voted for their own reasons knowing as much or as little as they needed to vote.
That is America
It always has been

& that is why the statement is moronic.

#190 Unread post by **Wrider** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:44 pm

Nalian wrote:
Wrider wrote:Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree that it's time other than old white guys ran for office, but the fact that it was so important to so many people that it overrode issues is pathetic.
Not necessarily. It is infrequent when one can't infer that another's upbringing was likely similarity to their own when they are from the same country and the same race. Is that necessarily true in the case of Obama - no. But just honestly, if someone wants to go out and vote for a candidate because they're black - so what. To them, that is an important thing and a momentous occasion. Look how long it took before we had a viable black candidate. Look how long it has been since we had Martin Luther King Jr. around hoping that his people would be treated equally.

Nonono you misunderstood me. People always want to vote for who they relate to, and that's fine, I do the same, the vast majority do the same.

What I was complaining about is the fact that I know a lot of people (white, black, asian, and hispanic) that voted for Obama just because he was black. I got tired of challenging friends' thoughts on him because most of them only knew he wanted to standardize the health care system and he was black. That's literally all they knew about him.

I seriously wish Dr. King was still alive because I definitely would have voted for him. Smart guy, and not just when it came to racial equality and social equality.

Nalian wrote: Really, if it was just race, however, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton would have won before. While people may say race is an issue - really it was Obama that inspired them to register and go out and actually vote. It says a lot for Obama's power of persuasion.

I don't agree with that. If it was just race and those two ran they definitely would have lost because they're way too extremist.

Wrider

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