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anarchy wrote:

blues2cruise wrote:The music industry needs to give its head a shake on some things. My friend and I share music.
She sometimes will burn a CD for me of something that she bought. The music industry isn't losing out, because it's not music I would have bought in the first place. She will also copy something I own, but that she wouldn't have bought.
Nobody is losing any royalties. Besides, we all pay the extra fee on blank media now to offset the few cents they think they have lost.

i think your reasoning has me shaking my head...

you're saying that based on the mere fact your and your friend(s) wouldn't have bought the music in the first place means the music industry (or whoever) isn't losing music when you share it?? somehow i don't think the music industry sees it that way. i'm sure they're of the belief that if someone doesn't want to pay for the music, they shouldn't have it...

if you still believe your logic holds water, try this... go into an eating establishment that has an all you can eat food buffet... bring along couple of friends that wouldn't want to pay for the buffet - hell, i'll go with you. start getting food and sharing with your friends... let the management know it's okay because they wouldn't have normally paid for that food anyway...

While I may or may not agree with your sentiment, the act of copying something is very different from the act of taking or consuming a physical object.

When you give a piece of pizza to your friend, someone had to pay for that piece of pizza to be made. When you email a copy of a song to a friend, the copy was entirely free at no cost to anyone.

anarchy wrote:

blues2cruise wrote:The music industry needs to give its head a shake on some things. My friend and I share music.
She sometimes will burn a CD for me of something that she bought. The music industry isn't losing out, because it's not music I would have bought in the first place. She will also copy something I own, but that she wouldn't have bought.
Nobody is losing any royalties. Besides, we all pay the extra fee on blank media now to offset the few cents they think they have lost.

i think your reasoning has me shaking my head...

you're saying that based on the mere fact your and your friend(s) wouldn't have bought the music in the first place means the music industry (or whoever) isn't losing music when you share it?? somehow i don't think the music industry sees it that way. i'm sure they're of the belief that if someone doesn't want to pay for the music, they shouldn't have it...

if you still believe your logic holds water, try this... go into an eating establishment that has an all you can eat food buffet... bring along couple of friends that wouldn't want to pay for the buffet - hell, i'll go with you. start getting food and sharing with your friends... let the management know it's okay because they wouldn't have normally paid for that food anyway...

Going to a buffet and sharing food is like comparing apples to oranges.

So how is the music industry losing money if I would not have bought something anyway?
It's more like free marketing for them. I listen to the one my friend made me; I like it; I may go and buy another one they put out. Someone comes to my place and hears it, they go and buy one.
And, yes, that does happen.

Is it any different than ripping a song onto my computer? I already paid for the CD once....

Based on the whole sharing thing....we wouldn't even be allowed to transport a CD to a friend's to listen to.

jonnythan wrote:

anarchy wrote:

blues2cruise wrote:The music industry needs to give its head a shake on some things. My friend and I share music.
She sometimes will burn a CD for me of something that she bought. The music industry isn't losing out, because it's not music I would have bought in the first place. She will also copy something I own, but that she wouldn't have bought.
Nobody is losing any royalties. Besides, we all pay the extra fee on blank media now to offset the few cents they think they have lost.

i think your reasoning has me shaking my head...

you're saying that based on the mere fact your and your friend(s) wouldn't have bought the music in the first place means the music industry (or whoever) isn't losing music when you share it?? somehow i don't think the music industry sees it that way. i'm sure they're of the belief that if someone doesn't want to pay for the music, they shouldn't have it...

if you still believe your logic holds water, try this... go into an eating establishment that has an all you can eat food buffet... bring along couple of friends that wouldn't want to pay for the buffet - hell, i'll go with you. start getting food and sharing with your friends... let the management know it's okay because they wouldn't have normally paid for that food anyway...

While I may or may not agree with your sentiment, the act of copying something is very different from the act of taking or consuming a physical object.

When you give a piece of pizza to your friend, someone had to pay for that piece of pizza to be made. When you email a copy of a song to a friend, the copy was entirely free at no cost to anyone.

okay - maybe the buffet example wasn't a good one... true, when a copy of a song is e-mailed to a friend, that copy was entirely free. the fact remains that music industry, including the artist, is relying on people buying their music - not copying it and sharing it with their friends.

blues2cruise wrote:Going to a buffet and sharing food is like comparing apples to oranges.

as noted above, the buffet example may not have been the best...

blues2cruise wrote:So how is the music industry losing money if I would not have bought something anyway?

how is the music industry losing money for music you have that you haven't purchased?? there's a cost associated with owning (owning used loosely here) the music. you have the music but didn't bear any of the cost. that's how they're losing money. the simple fact that you wouldn't have bought it anyway doesn't mean the music industry isn't losing money - the only thing it does is make you feel better.

blues2cruise wrote:It's more like free marketing for them. I listen to the one my friend made me; I like it; I may go and buy another one they put out. Someone comes to my place and hears it, they go and buy one.
And, yes, that does happen.

i'm assuming the "free marketing" comment was in jest, so i'll leave that alone.

as you said yourself, you may go out and buy another one they put out. but you probably won't. and you still didn't pay for the one your friend gave you illegally. i'm sure it's true and it's happened where someone went out and purchased a cd after listening to it at our house. but i'd venture to say it hasn't happened as much as you making a copy of it for them.

blues2cruise wrote:Is it any different than ripping a song onto my computer? I already paid for the CD once....

Based on the whole sharing thing....we wouldn't even be allowed to transport a CD to a friend's to listen to.

yes - there is a difference between you ripping the cd to your computer for your own personal use and making copies of it to share with your friends.

i'm not sure what whole sharing thing you're basing this on... you can transport your cd to a friend's to listen to it. nothing illegal about that. but that's a lot different than making a copy of it and giving it to your friend.

FYI...

In Canada, there is a surcharge on blank media used for copying music and videos. The Canadian Government is supposed to forward that money to the music industry to cover lost revenue from those in Canada that copy and share their music in that format. Some stores hide that in their prices, some collect it at the till, others don't collect it, (how they cover their end of that I don't know.) But buy a spool of 50 CDs and see how $0.45 per disk affects the cost...

There is also a surcharge on MP3 players...

That surcharge is on ALL blank media regardless of what you use it for. I put my own photos on CD's and pay the surcharge.

I only have about 4 shared cd's...but I do have a whack of blank media that I use for projects other than music.

I got the memtest disc made and it ran fine. So, I guess the memory is good.

I cleared the cache and ran the maintenance program and it's seems to be better again.

I have a question regarding the listening of music on the web...

My niece gave me a couple of song ideas for the show I want to make of her grad....I, of course, have never heard of any of them.

I was trying to find a site to have a listen to a song, but could not find one. (I don't want to download....I just want to hear it first before I decide whether I want to go buy it to use)

closer to your dreams - goapele

Anybody ever hear of that ^ ?

Anybody know where I could find it to listen to it....other than having to go to a store to a listening station....I have a cold and am not up to going out and I sure don't want to take my germs to the music store.

AllMusic usually has snippets of songs you can listen to...

here's what AllMusic has goapele... i tried to find closer to your dreams, but could only find closer. i don't know if it's the same song or not... here's a list of her songs...

t_bonee wrote:IMO, yes XP is. It's all about Linux baby Anywho. Hard to tell what that error is from. First thing is you could check your log files and see if anything sticks out. Like disk errors, memory errors, DLL errors or some other such thing. I think you go Start->Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer. Check the system events and Application events. See if there is anything mentioning the app you were using when it crashed.

The above is if you are using the Windows Classic view. If you are using that new fangled XP theme, then I'm not sure which little group thingie administrative tools is under.

Going back a bit.....
XP is a lot better than 98, but still throws the odd wobbly
to get at the event logs, amongst other handy tools, simply right click on my computer, and choose manage

blues2cruise wrote:I was trying to find a site to have a listen to a song, but could not find one. (I don't want to download....I just want to hear it first before I decide whether I want to go buy it to use)

closer to your dreams - goapele

Anybody ever hear of that ^ ?

Anybody know where I could find it to listen to it....other than having to go to a store to a listening station....I have a cold and am not up to going out and I sure don't want to take my germs to the music store.

Amazon has snippets for all the songs on most of the CDs they sell.

The song "Closer" is the real name of "Closer to [my] dreams"

They have a snippet:
Goapele - Even Closer at Amazon