Protest for Illegals

[train]

A couple things to remember:

The cost to come to this country is incredibly high. One of my coworkers married a girl from Spain and he has had to take off 20 days of work in the last 6 months and spend over $5000 (and he married her, cost and time for a non marriage could be up to 12 years).

Point: if we had a process that worked, people would go the legal route. When Bush came into office, the legal immigration became much tougher. Just think of Elis Island with a $5000 entry fee. Our country is a nation of immigrants, and a policy of 'we are in lock the door' is not needed.

The US House passed a bill that would make it a FELONY to be here without paperwork, or to help someone that is. These protests are in response to that.

Point: These people work hard to make their lives (and the lives of their relatives) better. They are following a dream, can't blame them, or charge them with a felony, for that.

Remember the 14th Amendment? Anyone? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Point: The children of these immigrants are US Citizens (if born in the US). They are going to school, the school of the country that they are members of. Want to deport a Husband and Wife with a US citizen child?

Know how these 'illegals' get here? Most ride on a train from the south. This ride is famous for rape, murder and burglary. Not a free ride at all. They didn't just walk into this country, they made a journey.

I guess the big point I make is:

We are all human. We should look out for each other.

Do I mean give all these people 40k jobs for being here? No. I just want a little better understanding and debate on this topic.

Love all.

[oldnslo]

Trouble is, illegals are neither born nor naturalized in the US, and, as such, are not US citizens. There have been laws on the books for many years regarding this status, but they have never been effectively enforced. That is why we have the present situation of an estimated 12 million illegal aliens living here.
This is really a nasty mess, because we have illegal parents having legal children[born here], and how do you send the parents away and keep the children? This is the result of poor or non-existant enforcement of immigration law.
INS busted about 60 Mexicans over the weekend in my neck of the woods, and the others went into hiding.
I would rather see sanctions applied to employers of this cheap labor source. Permanent closure of a business and prison time with a felony side-effect would have an impact on greedy business people, I think.

[Wizzard]

So by first generation Californian you're saying you're Mexican?

Or Native American? Or Asian? (Asians came over during the gold rush when California was still just a terrirtory).


This may just be the stupid talking but I can't decipher your post Wizz. It seems that you're against the protests (the SSB being sung in no other language than English thing)

Oh & 1 more thing , since when does our National Anthem need to be sung in any language besides English ?

But for it in terms of you being able to vote and cookie. (complain; I think it's funny that 'b' is replaced with cookie).

Well that actually goes both ways. If you're Mexican descent then you're for it with teh last bit of logic and if you're American then you're against it.


Man it's 10:30 PM and I'm already not making sense. This doth not bode well.

No , I am of Portuguese descent . My grandparents immigrated from the Azore Islands .

[Myself002]

So by first generation Californian you're saying you're Mexican?

Or Native American? Or Asian? (Asians came over during the gold rush when California was still just a terrirtory).


This may just be the stupid talking but I can't decipher your post Wizz. It seems that you're against the protests (the SSB being sung in no other language than English thing)

Oh & 1 more thing , since when does our National Anthem need to be sung in any language besides English ?

But for it in terms of you being able to vote and cookie. (complain; I think it's funny that 'b' is replaced with cookie).

Well that actually goes both ways. If you're Mexican descent then you're for it with teh last bit of logic and if you're American then you're against it.


Man it's 10:30 PM and I'm already not making sense. This doth not bode well.

No , I am of Portuguese descent . My grandparents immigrated from the Azore Islands .

Really Wiz? Mine too

Have you ever been to the Azores?

[Wizzard]

No , I haven't . Have you ?
I have done some reading and looked at the Islands via images . It certainly is a beautiful chain of Islands tho .
Best regards, Wizzard

[zarakand]

As I've weighed on this debate just recently with Shiv and Mr Gompers I'll keep it brief. It was mentioned earlier that the real @#@ are the people who hire illegal immigrants. I agree.

Yes we can have the debate about cheap labor and it's needed for those companies to stay competitive, but really illegal immigrants working cheaply are a product of the larger problem: Globalization. I would argue that this has more of an impact on labor rates than the illegal immigrants. In any case, it's a shame that legal immigration is so difficult.

We live in a great place, and people would like to become legal contributing citizens of this country. However we've made it very difficult for the working class to emigrate to the U.S. which as we all should be aware is a huge change in the way legal immigration used to work.

For example we emigrated here in 1992, and the only way my family was able to do so was because they both came here to do their Ph.D's. Luckily, when they neared completing their doctorates both of them were offered positions at their respective Universities. It's always difficult to imagine that I would not be here or have the opportunities I have today, simply because I had the misfortune of being born to parents who were not educated. When we think about it in those terms it becomes much harder to slam the door shut. Every human should have certain rights and opportunities, and yes I’m aware there are several problems with such an ideological statement. Yet, I’ll stick by it simply because I’d rather be optimistic about humanity than not.

Yes we have a problem with illegal immigration, but it’s a small problem compared to the ones facing the human race as a whole.

[basshole]

Personally, I think the people who protested lack the skills or ability to follow the rules of immigration and therefore feel a need to circumvent the system. They stand there with their hand out hoping for the easy way out rather than digging in and taking the bull by the horns and serving due diligence to gain citizenship. This is the greatest country on earth and by God if ya wanna be part of it then you better sack up and show some moxie! It should be difficult to get in here damnit because those that follow the process and earn their citizenship through blood sweat and tears are truly here to better themselves and our country and not here to look for a friggin freebie! So to all you lazy good for nothing scum bag freeloaders.....POUND SAND AND GET THE HELL OUT OR BE PREPARED TO BE THROWN OUT AND DON'T LET THE BORDER HIT YA ON THE A$$ ON THE WAY OUT EITHER!

[Myself002]

No , I haven't . Have you ?
I have done some reading and looked at the Islands via images . It certainly is a beautiful chain of Islands tho .
Best regards, Wizzard

I have and I must say it was the best vacation of my life. The water, the food the people, all of it was great. At the age when I went I wasnt able to drink or drive so my freedoms were limited to what my parents wanted to do but I still enjoyed myself. The next time I go I think I'll spend more time island jumping and probally just relaxing. I'll definatly rent a bike or moped. Last time I spent 10 days in the islands and another 7 on the mainland. I had a great time. 80% of my group didn't speak a lick of portuguese but we did just fine.

[grymlocke]

has anyone besides me noticed a similarity between today and..oh, say texas in the early 1800's?
..,then: mexico texas encourages anglos to move into the territory and farm the land, anglo's decide they don't want to be part of mexico, declare themselves independant and war breaks out, the US moves in and ultimately, texas becomes a state...


...today, latino's are encouraged to move into the southwest sates to work, latino's decide they don't want to be part of US (ex: read the sign from the "protest", watch the news, there is also a billborad in L.A. that sates 'Los Angeles, Mexico'), etc, etc...

where will the next Alamo be? L.A.? Pheonix?...

[thebighop]

As I've weighed on this debate just recently with Shiv and Mr Gompers I'll keep it brief. It was mentioned earlier that the real @#@ are the people who hire illegal immigrants. I agree.

Yes we can have the debate about cheap labor and it's needed for those companies to stay competitive, but really illegal immigrants working cheaply are a product of the larger problem: Globalization. I would argue that this has more of an impact on labor rates than the illegal immigrants. In any case, it's a shame that legal immigration is so difficult.

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That's as ironic as I can imagine....
If these @#@'s that hire the illegals really wanted to cash in on cheap labor, lower taxes, less regulation, no pollution enforcement, no unions, etc, etc, etc...they'd take their business to mexico in the first place. That would keep Jaun at home and give the dirty @#@ even more profits!!!!
They should line the company owners that hire illegals up a long a wall and... Maybe then we wouldn't have to teach Spanish in our schools to the kids that haven't learned to speak or write in English yet, or have all the prison gaurds required to speak Spanish.
You go to Mexico and drive without insurance, get in a wreck, and see how many of their cops speak English...Ha!!!