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camthepyro wrote:I wonder how many new riders you've killed handing out advice like this. It's "procreating" ridiculous. A 1000cc+ sport bike is unneccesary on the streets PERIOD.

Your little example with the Honda is nice in theory, but in reality, it's useless. First of all, having that much more power on hand isn't going to make that big of a difference in that situation, because either way, it's your reaction time (or lack there-of) that is key. If you have a honda going at 85mph coming up behind you, and you see it coming when it is 100ft away, that gives you roughly 1.25 seconds to react before it hits you (assuming you are stoped, sitting at a red light or something). Now, it will take you at least a half a second to: figure out you have to move, send the signal to your muscle, and actually move your wrist. That leaves you about 3/4 of a second to move. Now, pretty much all bikes, are going to go roughly the same distance in 3/4, it's after the bike is actually moving that the differences in acceleration become apparent.

So, in your example, the power of 1000cc bike over a >500cc bike isn't going to help you enough to be worth the risk the rest of the time. And even if it was, situations like that are much, much more rare then situations where an excess of power are hamful.

There is a reason everyone recommends smaller bikes, and most of the time it has nothing to do with maturity, responsibility, or control. It has to do with going over a bump, panicking or whatever, and accidently twitching the throttle. Which on a "small" bike won't make a big difference, but the difference can be fatal on a "big" bike.

If I had been on and R1 or similar bike when I had my accident last week, I would probably be in the hospital. Not because of my irresponsibility, or lack of control, but because I had been accelerating at the time, and I would have been going like 50mph, instead of just 30mph when I started braking.

Stop giving out bad advice to new riders, because what you're telling them is greatly increasing their chances of DIEING. Yeah, if he gets that bike, he'll probably be fine, but there is no reason to increase his chance of DIEING that much. No, he will not get bored of a >1000cc bike in a couple of weeks. That's just stupid, if you get bored of a "small" bike that quickly, then you're probably only using 1st gear. If that reasoning was valid, why would anyone be driving sports cars? A 600cc sport bike, is faster then that vast majority of cars, and has better acceleration then all of them, so why don't all sport car drivers get bored of their sports cars within a couple weeks?

camthepyro wrote:I wonder how many new riders you've killed handing out advice like this. It's "procreating" ridiculous. A 1000cc+ sport bike is unneccesary on the streets PERIOD.

Your little example with the Honda is nice in theory, but in reality, it's useless. First of all, having that much more power on hand isn't going to make that big of a difference in that situation, because either way, it's your reaction time (or lack there-of) that is key. If you have a honda going at 85mph coming up behind you, and you see it coming when it is 100ft away, that gives you roughly 1.25 seconds to react before it hits you (assuming you are stoped, sitting at a red light or something). Now, it will take you at least a half a second to: figure out you have to move, send the signal to your muscle, and actually move your wrist. That leaves you about 3/4 of a second to move. Now, pretty much all bikes, are going to go roughly the same distance in 3/4, it's after the bike is actually moving that the differences in acceleration become apparent.

So, in your example, the power of 1000cc bike over a >500cc bike isn't going to help you enough to be worth the risk the rest of the time. And even if it was, situations like that are much, much more rare then situations where an excess of power are hamful.

There is a reason everyone recommends smaller bikes, and most of the time it has nothing to do with maturity, responsibility, or control. It has to do with going over a bump, panicking or whatever, and accidently twitching the throttle. Which on a "small" bike won't make a big difference, but the difference can be fatal on a "big" bike.

If I had been on and R1 or similar bike when I had my accident last week, I would probably be in the hospital. Not because of my irresponsibility, or lack of control, but because I had been accelerating at the time, and I would have been going like 50mph, instead of just 30mph when I started braking.

Stop giving out bad advice to new riders, because what you're telling them is greatly increasing their chances of DIEING. Yeah, if he gets that bike, he'll probably be fine, but there is no reason to increase his chance of DIEING that much. No, he will not get bored of a >1000cc bike in a couple of weeks. That's just stupid, if you get bored of a "small" bike that quickly, then you're probably only using 1st gear. If that reasoning was valid, why would anyone be driving sports cars? A 600cc sport bike, is faster then that vast majority of cars, and has better acceleration then all of them, so why don't all sport car drivers get bored of their sports cars within a couple weeks?

Sport bikes in my opinion are much safer then Cruiser BECAUSE of the HP and ability to get out of harms way.

NOTHING is worse the wasting money on a bike you want to replace after a few weeks.