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You keep trying to turn the attention from your driving to mine... why? Just take my comments, or don't... it is none of my business really. It isn't as though you are endangering *me*. It just struck me as odd that you would tell a story that demonstrated at least two bad judgements on your part to call the kettle black.

It strikes a chord with me for a few reasons... first, you were pointing fingers when by your own statements you were casually making stupid newbie driving mistakes that were all but designed to cause the problem that happened. Second, it reminded me of the time, also about 10 years ago, when I was driving my RX-7, with my father as passenger, stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on Interstate 5 through the "orange crush" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Crush_interchange) before it was reconstructed. He started complaining about being light headed... within a minute he blacked out. Now, he'd had a heart attack four or five years earlier, so I hauled "O Ring" to the E.R. I knew was closest. And I didn't run any lights (totally unsafe in a dense urban environment without sirens), but I did drive on shoulders, lane split, and was quite agressive in forcing my way through traffic. No cell phone back then...so I couldn't "call the police". I'm quite confident you would've seen nothing wrong with blocking me... and would feel quite righteous about it even still... but you'd have been wong.

It isn't the years, it is the judgement. You had eight years of driving under your belt when you pulled your blocking stunt... and you still pulled it. Have you improved in the last 10? Doesn't sound like it... sounds like you are too caught up in imagining the pencil size of the other drivers to pay attention to your own mistakes and learn from them.

Man, this is like sitting at the dinner table while your parents are fighting...


Anyone, does anyone ever notice how unsafely cops drive when they're in an emergency?

I was sitting at a left turn light earlier today, and four cops when by me going at least 70 through an interesection, on a little windy two lane road. I don't know what the emergency was, but that seems unneccesarily dangerous. I guess the figure because they're cops with sirens, they can go as fast as they want, no matter how unsafe, but it still bothered me. That road has numerous drive ways coming off of it, and someone could have been pulling out of their driveway, and all the sudden a cop car comes around the bend doing 70mph, and t-bones them. That seems wrong to me.

Being in Southern Cali, you gotta learn how to lane split to get to the front of the line in rush hour traffic...I usually always get stuck next to the guys my age, early 20's, in some sort of SUV or truck. They tell me to "get it up" and when I laugh and ask them to pay for the ticket, they like to take the initiative of trying to race me as soon as the light turns green to prove their manlihood.

I don't mind the females as much because you can get rid of them pretty quickly. Its the guys who like to drive fast behind you who are trying to prove to you that their cage can "beat a bike"....even though you are going the speed limit.

This is getting better by the minute. Diez would you point out my "stupid noobie driving mistakes" Since you are a great driving diety I and others can surely learn from you.

Your little quip about your dad getting sick while you were driving is funny. That in no way justifies driving reckless. By doing that you put yourself, your dad, and others on the road at risk. It could have turned into a much worse situation. The fact that it didn't doesn't mean much.

You still failed to consider all the details I provided. I would guess your upset cuz your the person who would tailgate a driver who is already exceeding the speed limit just to get ahead of them. Obviously, the fact that I didn't yield to a driver like that upsets you.

I dunno who you've been dating, but last time I looked women don't have penises. If you get down that way its ok tho. Nothing wrong with that the world has all types.

As a reminder I didn't pull the blocking stunt alone. Another driver was there as well. FWIW, I would much rather have a reckless driver like that behind me instead of in front of me.

rebutal - dieziege

Go!!!!!

(I'll take bets on how long this takes to become circular....)

stupid newb mistake #1: driving next to another car in such a way that if something happens and you must swerve you'll risk a collision.

Stupid newb mistake #2: Failure to recognize a potentially hazardous passing situation and yield for faster traffic.

Stupid newb mistake #3: driving in such a way as to obstruct the free flow of traffic.

Stupid newb mistake #4: don't know if this was you or other driver... but... continued driving in passing lane when faster traffic is present.

Do I really need to go on?

Technically it was an anecdote...this sentence is a quip.

My anecdote was not intended as a great example of driving...I don't think the woman in your story was driving well either... but in my case I was somewhere around 18 and how would you drive if your father was perhaps dying in your passenger seat? Based on what he said before he blacked out I had every reason to think the worst. The outcome was positive... he was revived at the hospital and was released in a week. Would that have happened if I'd waited an extra 40 minutes to get to the next exit? Does it matter? Anyway, you haven't said that the driver in your story drove recklessly... only that she considered it important to pass you. You demonstrated she wasn't totally reckless in that she didn't run the red light.

What relevant details am I disregarding? I read everything you wrote, and addressed those points that mattered.

Why would you say "You must be suffering from small penile syndrome as well." if you aren't preoccupied with the pencil size of other drivers?

Finally... why do keep defending your actions based on what other people did? The fact that you weren't alone in your mistake doesn't justify your mistake.... it just says that you are trying to defend your bad judgement with logical falacies (Argumentum ad populum). That's not the only logical falacy you are resorting to of course...but the others aren't even worth mocking.

I didn't make any mistakes thats why I keep this going. You are making judgements on a situation that you weren't part of which is extremely amusing to me. Using latin words don't impress me much either.

The quip about pencil size should be obvious if you know anything about Freud. Everything comes back to pencil size and if you don't have one its pencil envy.

I am curious tho why you think I & the other driver were impeding traffic ? Didn't I already say both of us were already exceeding the speed limit ?
I have no clue why you would think you should yield to a driver like that.

This is amusing and all, but your cutting into my strip bar time. Maybe we can get back on topic tomorrow. You can look up some more latin words/phrases while I'm gone. Don't dissappoint me!!!!!

dieziege wrote:stupid newb mistake #1: driving next to another car in such a way that if something happens and you must swerve you'll risk a collision.

When your driving a Camaro Z28 next to another car if something comes up your response is speed up. Before the other driver hits you ... you'll be in the next county.

dieziege wrote:Stupid newb mistake #2: Failure to recognize a potentially hazardous passing situation and yield for faster traffic.

I'm lost on this one. Absolutely no reason to yield to someone if a traffic lite is half mile ahead. One could make a counter argument here and say I and the other driver actually did the public a favor by keeping that reckless driver behind us even if it was only for a short time. Maybe there was bus stopped ahead with kids getting off.

dieziege wrote:Stupid newb mistake #3: driving in such a way as to obstruct the free flow of traffic.

I'm at a lose here too. Have no idea how I obstructed the free flow of traffic. Remember the traffic lite ?

dieziege wrote:Stupid newb mistake #4: don't know if this was you or other driver... but... continued driving in passing lane when faster traffic is present.

Still at a lose here. I was in the right lane if you must know.

dieziege wrote:Do I really need to go on?

Please do oh great one. It would actually be much better if you come to my house and give me 1 on 1 driving lessons.

You certainly lack an eye for detail. Hopefully, whatever job you have doesn't involve saving lifes. If it does I see alot of dead people in your future.

Not judging a situation... I'm judging the actions you say you took. For all I know the situation is imaginary.

If we must use Freud to understand your preocupation with the pencil size of other drivers, I'll do so...but I want it on record that it is only at your request. It is clear from your words that you have a preoccupation with your genitals and the genitals of others. This places you at the phalic stage of psychosexual development. Further, it is clear from your observation about females that you have noticed that females lack penises. This sets the stage for the classical manifestation of the opedial complex, where your natural love for your mother, when combined with your burgeoning realization that she lacks a pencil, transforms into castration anxeity centered on your father, and transforms into a desire to supplant your father. Given the intensity of emotion it is clear that you were caught masturbating and disciplined for these autoerotic explorations, further exacerbating your castration anxiety. I just can't see how saying all of that will make you a better driver though. Besides, Freud was a fraud.

And you know the really cool thing? I don't have to look up latin phrases! Do I rock or what?

As for the driving part...the reason for this little tete-a-tete sans privacy....

I am curious tho why you think I & the other driver were impeding traffic ? Didn't I already say both of us were already exceeding the speed limit ?
I have no clue why you would think you should yield to a driver like that.

Exceeding the speed limit is irrelevant. If it bothered you, you should have dropped to a lower speed. If it didn't, you should have kept speeding. Either way, you should have sought to diffuse any potentially dangerous situation that arose while taking the minimum risk possible in doing so.

How could you have diffused this situation? Well, you could've whipped out a gun and shot out her tires. She woudl've stopped trying to pass, stopped speeding, and you could've gone along your merry way. Is that a good solution? No. Why not? Because it is MORE RISKY. That's what we are trying to avoid. Avoid the risk. Get it? What are some other ways to diffuse this situation? How about waiting until she is right behind you and slamming on the brakes? Again, not good. Why not? Still too risky -- she might not respond in time, her kids may be injured, you may be injured, and so on. Remember, the goal is to reduce the danger of the situation. Other ways? How about easing off the gas until you are 25' behind the car in the other lane, opening a passage so the high-risk driver can pass? Does this increase your risk? No, because you are actually going to be closer to the speed limit and it gets the high risk driver away from you. Does it increase her risk? No, because she can pass you and is no longer feeling compelled (for whatever reason) to tailgate. Does it increase the other driver's risk? no, because it increases their seperation with the hazard as well. What are some other ways? You could have sped up. You could have merged into the other lane, opening up a passing lane. The list goes on.

That's the point. I did not say you should yield, I said you should diffuse the situation. How? The easiest and safest way available to you. Why? That should be self evident. EVERYONE would have been safer. You, her, her kids, the other driver... EVERYONE.

This should be common sense.

It seems like you want to justify allowing a high risk situation to develop. What is your motiovation? Punishing her for being more willing to break the law than you?

The traffic light ahead is irrelevant. It is not your "job" to keep her from running that light, or to slow her before she reaches it. The light may have changed, she may have been making a right turn, etc... none of which matters.

That psycho analysis was PRICELESS.
I actually don't have much faith in Freud's theories. I find them more amusing than anything else. I'm more inclined to side with Jung's theories instead.

I'm still open to receiving driving lessons from you tho. Lets make an appt.

In case you didn't get the memo Latin is a dead language bro. No use in knowing that unless your an english teacher or lawyer. All it does is make you look like a pompuos asshat.