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WHY WHY WHY!!!!????!!!!! I just dont get it man, and i probably wont even if you answer, why do you need more power or speed or non-mentally challenged timing or a slicker exhaust? Your bike is insanely fast, it has more power than you can handle or even tap into yet, you are not using the bike to its fullest ability yet you want to make it faster, what in the hell for???? Master the bike, and i mean MASTER it and learn how to use its stock power, learn where you get your power in the revs, find ways to squeeze every HP out of that engine, and when you are perfect at extracting the stock power, then its time to think about upgrades. So once again, why do you feel the need to make it faster when you cant use all the current power it has?



JWF

in this case i believe this post was more Verm saying "ooooh look SHINEY!!" than anything else. he's young and gets distracted by shiney things easily (as you can tell from many of his posts).

this is Total Motorcycle, so a new exhaust on a gixxer qualifies as something of interest, even if it's just one or two folks who get excited about it. I usually read the threads V starts mostly for the humour because i realize i used to like shiney things too, if i wanted deep meaningful words, i'd buy Gummi and Zoo a keg and see what shakes loose.

Getting more power is cool and all, but taking into account the look of that exhaust... I would never put it on my bike. The way it looks makes me

bok wrote: if i wanted deep meaningful words, i'd buy Gummi and Zoo a keg and see what shakes loose.

Man If this ever happens COUNT ME IN!

PS, I actually like the way the exhaust looks... Progressive, small - doesn't detract from the look of the bike at all.

And this is really good advice -

Since you are doing the trackdays for on the street skill, i would keep your everyday tires. Otherwise its kind of like driving a hummer so you can get a feel for your metro.

the michelin tires i posted aren't racing slicks...

unless i misunderstood what racing slicks mean.

MICHELIN POWER RACE


RACING SLICKS

JWF505 wrote:WHY WHY WHY!!!!????!!!!! I just dont get it man, and i probably wont even if you answer, why do you need more power or speed or non-mentally challenged timing or a slicker exhaust? Your bike is insanely fast, it has more power than you can handle or even tap into yet, you are not using the bike to its fullest ability yet you want to make it faster, what in the hell for???? Master the bike, and i mean MASTER it and learn how to use its stock power, learn where you get your power in the revs, find ways to squeeze every HP out of that engine, and when you are perfect at extracting the stock power, then its time to think about upgrades. So once again, why do you feel the need to make it faster when you cant use all the current power it has?


JWF

i think you misunderstood my post...

i clearly mentioned my point... the best performance upgrade is trackdays.

trackdays will make me faster than any AM mods out there.

Verm,

Congrats on finally showing some common sense - learn to ride that sucker first, then make it faster. On the tire issue, which seems to have crossed over from your previous thread - those telling you to stick with your stock tires are spot on. Racing tires (to include Race DOT tires) are very sensitive to heat. They grip like a greased watermelon when they're cold. While they do heat up quickly, you have to ride them HARD constantly in order to maintain that heat (and traction). Tires like the Pilot Power, are designed with the occassional trackday in mind. There is no reason to not use them, or their competitors for a trackday. Using race tires is just a quick way to empty your wallet (or increase your debt). As already noted, you should stick to the same type of tire you ride with everyday anyway, race tires will handle completely differently and that could come to bite you in the backside when you attempt something you learned on the track - on the street. Your posts tend to amuse me, but I have no desire to see "So my GSXR750 flew off a cliff" because you leaned deeper then your street tires could handle, on account of your race tires being able to do it.

Anthony

macktruckturner wrote:Verm,

Congrats on finally showing some common sense - learn to ride that sucker first, then make it faster. On the tire issue, which seems to have crossed over from your previous thread - those telling you to stick with your stock tires are spot on. Racing tires (to include Race DOT tires) are very sensitive to heat. They grip like a greased watermelon when they're cold. While they do heat up quickly, you have to ride them HARD constantly in order to maintain that heat (and traction). Tires like the Pilot Power, are designed with the occassional trackday in mind. There is no reason to not use them, or their competitors for a trackday. Using race tires is just a quick way to empty your wallet (or increase your debt). As already noted, you should stick to the same type of tire you ride with everyday anyway, race tires will handle completely differently and that could come to bite you in the backside when you attempt something you learned on the track - on the street. Your posts tend to amuse me, but I have no desire to see "So my GSXR750 flew off a cliff" because you leaned deeper then your street tires could handle, on account of your race tires being able to do it.

Anthony

what's the average track mileage of DOT race tires like the michelin power race?

also, im not gonna push my bike on thr streets the way i'll push it on the track.

i just heard a bunch of horror stories of guys lowsiding bec their street tires gave up on them on leans. that's why i wanna get DOT race tires. it will also help my confidence.

You're going to do what you want to do, but in my own personal opinion the horror stories likely come from riders that suck. One needs to be in tune with the feedback their tires are giving them - a bad rider will lowside due to "traction loss" on the best tires on the planet if they don't pay attention to what their tires tell them. Getting DOT racing tires, and believing they are a saftey net is just setting yourself up for a crash IMO. There is nothing magical about them, if you go in too hot, lean over too far, get your braking or steering input wrong - you're going down. Physics always wins the fight. For your first three or four trackdays, I really don't think you'll use a set of race tires anywhere close to their potential - or your bike for that matter. You may just scratch the surface - and doing so on more expensive, faster wearing race tires is just a needless waste of money. Have you even thought about which compounds you would want in the Power Race - or how your suspension setup will react to those tires? Crew chiefs don't get paid for nothing. If you're that concerned about grip in leans - try a set of Power 2CTs, though I assure you I've pushed by Powers harder than you will for several months, and not lost traction a single time.

Anthony

macktruckturner wrote:You're going to do what you want to do, but in my own personal opinion the horror stories likely come from riders that suck. One needs to be in tune with the feedback their tires are giving them - a bad rider will lowside due to "traction loss" on the best tires on the planet if they don't pay attention to what their tires tell them. Getting DOT racing tires, and believing they are a saftey net is just setting yourself up for a crash IMO. There is nothing magical about them, if you go in too hot, lean over too far, get your braking or steering input wrong - you're going down. Physics always wins the fight. For your first three or four trackdays, I really don't think you'll use a set of race tires anywhere close to their potential - or your bike for that matter. You may just scratch the surface - and doing so on more expensive, faster wearing race tires is just a needless waste of money. Have you even thought about which compounds you would want in the Power Race - or how your suspension setup will react to those tires? Crew chiefs don't get paid for nothing. If you're that concerned about grip in leans - try a set of Power 2CTs, though I assure you I've pushed by Powers harder than you will for several months, and not lost traction a single time.

Anthony

thanks for info.

i'll take it into consideration.