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#21 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:07 pm

NorthernPete wrote:
younggun wrote:Yeah 230km/h is abit excessive IMO, I noticed that the tire of the bike was imbedded in the front right quarter panel of the car which I assume the car was turning left in front of the bike. So yes the rider was speeding no doubt about that but wasnt the driver of the car paying attention?
Dont they drive on the opposite side of the road in Europe? wouldnt the wheel have to be in the front Left quarterpanel then?

i think thats only england, i know in germany and austria its on the regular side.

JWF

Shorts · #22 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:17 pm

That was very sad. I can imagine shock and heartache at that scene. I see the guy on the cell phone making calls and I feel sad for what he's got to say.

Thanks for the reminder blues. I think immature folks don't really understand what it's like to be involved in a thing like that, until they are part of one. Then it's too late.

#23 Unread post by **t_bonee** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:36 pm

Very sad indeed. Unfortunately, this is why people in the media spout off about banning large cc sportsbikes. Or large bikes in general.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:27 pm

t_bonee wrote:Very sad indeed. Unfortunately, this is why people in the media spout off about banning large cc sportsbikes. Or large bikes in general.

It's too bad the media don't comprehend that it's not the bike, but the operator.

Some bikes really should not be sold for street use, though. However, as long as people continue to buy them, the manufacturers will continue to make and sell them.

Another analogy is how the automakers have DVD players in the front of a car.
I can see having one in the back for the kiddies, but having a driver watching a video while he or she is driving is nuts.
But...as long as people buy them...and the government doesn't ban them...the automakers will continue to make and sell stupid things.

I feel for the families who lose their young people to these tragic crashes.

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JC Viper · #25 Unread post by **JC Viper** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:35 pm

The same can be said about the new Dodge sedans that can go pretty fast in a short order.

It is mostly about the mindset of any vehicle operator but almost always it's the motorcyclists that get singled out and sometimes it's justified when I see more and more squid kiddies. Police ourselves before someone else does it for us. There's a time and place for everything.

Did you ever find the picture of a race rep 1980 Suzuki smashing into the side of a small car in Sweden killing everyone? That's a very powerful message.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:42 pm

No, I never did see that. I was quite disturbed when I stumbled across the one in this thread.

Mintbread · Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:57 pm

Regardless of what you ride and how fast you ride it, people crash and people die.

I will not watch the vid, nor will I believe for an instant that watching things like this will make a difference. Accidents are exactly that.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:08 pm

Mintbread wrote:Regardless of what you ride and how fast you ride it, people crash and people die.

I will not watch the vid, nor will I believe for an instant that watching things like this will make a difference. Accidents are exactly that.

If people used the word crash or fatal crash instead of the word accident, it might have more impact...pardon the pun.

Accident sounds like a fender bender. The word crash sounds worse.

ICBC, (the insurance and motor vehicle authority here) has tried to change the way people think and talk about "crashes" and "collisions" instead of an "accident."

They are preventable.

Mintbread · Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:10 pm

So if you crash it was intentional?

Shorts · #30 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:35 pm

Mintbread wrote:So if you crash it was intentional?

Rather than making 'crash' intentional, it takes away from 'accident' being an excuse to shirk responsibility.

I think they just want to get away from the stigma that floats around "accident"...you know, unforseen result....can't imagine how anything bad would have come from lighting a cigarette while standing in a kiddie pool filled with gasoline (using a stupidly obvious example).

People don't often want or like to fess up to making mistakes that caused the 'crash'; 'accident' sounds much less guilty of doings thing which increased the risk of such an outcome.

This reminds me of the debate in the fierarms community of 'accidental discharge' vs 'neglegent discharge'. There is a difference.