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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:43 pm
by jonnythan
bmgibben wrote:I almost completely unworried about the kevlar holding up in a slide. The maker of Draggin Jeans lab tested during development by being dragged behind a truck on pavement, sitting on the ground in them. So I would assume in the high kevlar areas it has at least a decent chance of holding up. My worry is more the rest of the denim (thick as it is) holding up in the areas other than the seat and knee.
The thing I am worried most about is the impact. The knox knee armor should do its job there, but what about the most crucial joint south of the navel? The pelvis? Ive done very little research on the armor provided by pants, just recently thinking about them, but how dangerous is it not having armor protecting the side of the hip from impact forces? Is this a rare occurance in a crash, or does most of the pant armor just not have this? Is it only some of that specialty armor that has protection for this? Or is it not deemed as important in a crash? Thanks for all the input.
The way I see the armor issue is this.
Some padding might protect you from breaking a bone. Broken bones aren't a very big deal to me. They heal. It's not a big enough concern to me to warrant wearing some uncomfortable padding all the time.
If the impact is large enough to break many bones or cause severe skeletal issues, then the little bit of padding you find in motorcycle armor is not going to prevent any significant part of that injury. If I slam my knee into a lamppost hard enough to shatter my patella and break my femur, those bones are going to break anyway if I'm wearing some 1/4" foam padding.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:53 pm
by ninja79
jonnythan wrote:
Not the entire pants. The butt/hips area and a large patch over the knees are lined with a thick woven Kevlar blend.
http://www.dragginjeans.com.au/products ... arJean.htm
Apparently these guys did a "drag a guy on his butt at 140kph for 300 meters on asphalt" test. The denim obviously wore through but the kevlar lining did not. This is good stuff. Unarmored, of course.
oh, I see. That's a lot better than I thought. Still not as good as overpants, and don't have any armour. They'd probably get pretty hot when you are not riding.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:58 pm
by jonnythan
ninja79 wrote:jonnythan wrote:
Not the entire pants. The butt/hips area and a large patch over the knees are lined with a thick woven Kevlar blend.
http://www.dragginjeans.com.au/products ... arJean.htm
Apparently these guys did a "drag a guy on his butt at 140kph for 300 meters on asphalt" test. The denim obviously wore through but the kevlar lining did not. This is good stuff. Unarmored, of course.
oh, I see. That's a lot better than I thought. Still not as good as overpants, and don't have any armour. They'd probably get pretty hot when you are not riding.
They're more comfortable than my overpants when not riding.
They are cotton and a weaved Kevlar, so they're very breathable and comfortable, unlike the water-resistant, barely breathable nylon of my overpants.
They might not be quite as breezy as mesh pants but they're certainly more protective. I'd much rather have heavy denim and a thick layer of Kevlar between my skin and the road than the thin single or double layer of single-weave Cordura (or even just nylon or polyester) on most overpants.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:10 pm
by ninja79
jonnythan wrote:
They're more comfortable than my overpants when not riding.
yeah, but you can take off the overpants
jonnythan wrote:
They are cotton and a weaved Kevlar, so they're very breathable and comfortable, unlike the water-resistant, barely breathable nylon of my overpants.
I have motoport "kevlar" overpants. Those are the only breathable non-mesh overpants I was able to find. I like em. All the other ones I've seen are either mesh or "waterproof" (= very-hot melt-your-balls type).
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:15 pm
by bmgibben
Don't pants have any vents? I would think some at the knee or right above or below would be ideal and then maybe exit vents below the belt-area at the rear would give good flow-throughout without having to be mesh.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:13 pm
by blues2cruise
ninja79 wrote:I didn't get it. what's the deal with motof150?
Moto considered himself an expert on everything and he often gave bad advice. Fast Eddy's post sounded just like the way Moto would write.
That's why flynrider's post was funny.
Moto won't be back.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:16 pm
by blues2cruise
To give you an idea of the thickness....nylon stockings that women wear are usually 10, 15 or 20 denier on average. 10 being the sheerest and 20 being a bit less so.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:39 pm
by BlueBomber
blues2cruise wrote:[
Moto won't be back.
best news i've heard all day.
I think i love you now. (not that i didn't before
)
+1 for having moderators that we actually LIKE.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:31 am
by blues2cruise
Gosh, thanks.
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:08 pm
by J. W.
I have the Gusset Jeans with the Kevlar in the knees and rear. They do get a little warm but overall are vey comfortable. I also have the Alpinestars Bionic Knee that I sometimes wear with regular jeans. I found the bionic Knee to be cumbersome and needs to adjusted while riding. If I was involved in an accident I doubt if it would be in the proper position to provide alot of protection.