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an idea.. since i suck at countersteering.. is it a good idea to go rent out a scooter.. that doesnt not involve any shifting... and try to counter steer with it on the street? what yall think?

dahviet wrote:an idea.. since i suck at countersteering.. is it a good idea to go rent out a scooter.. that doesnt not involve any shifting... and try to counter steer with it on the street? what yall think?

your just not getting it are you


Any 2 wheeled machine will require counter steering at a certain speed.

push bike
scooter
motorcycle

etc. etc


Its all about gyroscopic force.



Maybe you should stick to 4 wheels

How old are you?

I've got to be honest. Reading your post history, it doesn't appear that you're quite "ready" to be on a motorcycle.

im 19! well we'll see if im ready in a month...

A scooter isn't a bad idea for getting started. Much easier to ride than a MC. Same principles of riding, and you're correct that if you get a twist'n'go automatic (like most are now), you can focus on practicing your balance and countersteering without worrying about shifting.

So yes, you might want to think about getting a scooter until you're more comfortable with how to handle a 2-wheel vehicle. Private motorcycle lessons would be another really good idea, though, if you have the $. At some point, your body will "get it" and you'll feel how to control the bike properly.

newbie here on counter steering, I didn't get it during a my MSC either. (3weeks ago) I just swerved like on a mountain bike. I passed without much problem(44yo)I went out and bought a vulcan nomad 1500 and I can tell you counter steering works great on the big bike. Just a little push right and I am going right. Maybe because of speed in class and the small bikes or the combo ,I just didn't feel it.

anyways.. i kinda rented a bicycle and tried counter steering.. well i countersteered on the straight aways.. kinda did it on a turn.. but thing is when i counter steer the bike ends up turning back so it straightens out. goodluck to me next week when im tryna get back in class.. i think im confident that i could pass it..

shane-o wrote:I dont know why people get hung up on counter steering, you dont need to teach it, its a natural thing to do, and any one who has ridden bicycles has used counter steering. If you need to go left you will input into the bars pressure to turn left, who cares whether it requires you to press the right bar to go right or press the left bar to go right, as long as you go in the direction you need to, who gives a dodo what its called...just do it !!! and call it riding..puck counter steering!!!!

really? that was not the case for me. in my class, i remember doing the turn and struggling to stay in the lines. i kept hearing the instructors yelling "push" but that didn't seem natural or right. i wanted to try and turn into the turn. i knew what i was supposed to do, it just didn't feel right. then we did the swerve and from then on my brain got it better. now it makes total sense to me. but at first it didn't. glad it did for you.

dean owens wrote:

shane-o wrote:I dont know why people get hung up on counter steering, you dont need to teach it, its a natural thing to do, and any one who has ridden bicycles has used counter steering. If you need to go left you will input into the bars pressure to turn left, who cares whether it requires you to press the right bar to go right or press the left bar to go right, as long as you go in the direction you need to, who gives a dodo what its called...just do it !!! and call it riding..puck counter steering!!!!

really? that was not the case for me. in my class, i remember doing the turn and struggling to stay in the lines. i kept hearing the instructors yelling "push" but that didn't seem natural or right. i wanted to try and turn into the turn. i knew what i was supposed to do, it just didn't feel right. then we did the swerve and from then on my brain got it better. now it makes total sense to me. but at first it didn't. glad it did for you.

Nah mate ya missed my point, or maybe i didnt explain myself well, which is probably the case


Never in my entire riding career spanning near 20 years, have I ever thought "i need to counter steer to get through this turn"

Whats more, in the first few years of riding in the dirt, I didnt even know what it was let alone think to do it, yet somehow, I managed to get to all the places I wanted to on a motorcycle at all kinds of speeds.


I think teaching counter steering to nubs before they have got out on the roads and had a bit of riding experience, just confuses them and makes them even more hesitant in making decisions on the road, as evidenced by the worry shown by a few of you in this topic.

Thats what I mean about puck counter steering, just get out there and have some fun learning to ride, worry about terminology later on down the track.

IMHO of course;)

damn to tell you the truth... he makes complete sense... thats osmething you dont have to to teach... when i used to ride a bike.. i used to do it all the time.. i didnt have to name it or anything.. i just did it.. i mean if you do it often you will get the hang of it.. but naming and telling is to push here n there.. kinda got us confused..

shane-o wrote:

dean owens wrote:

shane-o wrote:I dont know why people get hung up on counter steering, you dont need to teach it, its a natural thing to do, and any one who has ridden bicycles has used counter steering. If you need to go left you will input into the bars pressure to turn left, who cares whether it requires you to press the right bar to go right or press the left bar to go right, as long as you go in the direction you need to, who gives a dodo what its called...just do it !!! and call it riding..puck counter steering!!!!

really? that was not the case for me. in my class, i remember doing the turn and struggling to stay in the lines. i kept hearing the instructors yelling "push" but that didn't seem natural or right. i wanted to try and turn into the turn. i knew what i was supposed to do, it just didn't feel right. then we did the swerve and from then on my brain got it better. now it makes total sense to me. but at first it didn't. glad it did for you.

Nah mate ya missed my point, or maybe i didnt explain myself well, which is probably the case


Never in my entire riding career spanning near 20 years, have I ever thought "i need to counter steer to get through this turn"

Whats more, in the first few years of riding in the dirt, I didnt even know what it was let alone think to do it, yet somehow, I managed to get to all the places I wanted to on a motorcycle at all kinds of speeds.


I think teaching counter steering to nubs before they have got out on the roads and had a bit of riding experience, just confuses them and makes them even more hesitant in making decisions on the road, as evidenced by the worry shown by a few of you in this topic.

Thats what I mean about puck counter steering, just get out there and have some fun learning to ride, worry about terminology later on down the track.

IMHO of course;)