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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:02 pm
by blues2cruise
Wrider wrote:
It just plain sucks this year!
Wrider
The choices for voting suck every year. :roll: :P

Why not exercise your right to vote? At least if you vote, you have the right to complain.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:03 am
by dr_bar
I thought the you folks had the ability to "Write-in" a candidate??? Why not exercise your vote that way?

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:38 am
by ofblong
dr_bar wrote:I thought the you folks had the ability to "Write-in" a candidate??? Why not exercise your vote that way?
WHy do that? it would be like 1 vote for a person and it wont win.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:10 pm
by Shorts
ofblong wrote:
dr_bar wrote:I thought the you folks had the ability to "Write-in" a candidate??? Why not exercise your vote that way?
WHy do that? it would be like 1 vote for a person and it wont win.

Yup.

It is better to vote against someone than for someone. By voting for a write in candidate, it takes away a vote for the lesser of your two evils and increases the chances of winning for the person you don't want to win.

You might as well save yourself the trouble and gas and not vote.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:44 pm
by slimcolo
You might as well save yourself the trouble and gas and not vote.

Hell I save gas and vote (absentee voting for last 20 years)

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:25 pm
by Shorts
slimcolo wrote:
You might as well save yourself the trouble and gas and not vote.

Hell I save gas and vote (absentee voting for last 20 years)

True. We did that in '04 and will again this time.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:00 pm
by matthew5656
I didn't expect much more from the republican convention this time, attack democrat, praise mccain, attack democrats and obama some more, praise mccain. Wasn't Palin's speech a bit one dimensional? I wouldn't be surprised if she was handed that speech to read aloud by her chosen republican party.

I'm not mixing up the difference between president and vice president, but the point missed was the known fact of a vice president being first in line to take the presidential role for any reason. I'm far more comfortable with a President Biden if Obama were hurt or missing. But McCain is 72, one of the oldest presidential nominees in history, certainly bringing along a higher risk of death very soon. I do not feel safe with a right winged governor for less than two years as my commander in chief. This was nothing more than a strategical move for McCain to sway the resentful Hillary supporters onto his side. A tricky move sure, not too beneficial for the American people to have a competent president as well as vice pres, but a smart move for McCain to win the race, none the less. But there were far more republican running mates certainly more qualified than Palin for Mccain to choose from.

And where did anyone hear that Obama is friends with a terrorist? Where's the speculation? I do know the Bush family has major business ties with the Bin Laden family, the guys who attacked us that no one cares to remember anymore. And it looks as if McCain has major ties with Bush, being that he voted along with him for the majority of his time in office. And now McCain is apologizing for the last eight years. Really? Seriously?

SlimColo is quite right in his thinking. And I agree, this race has been nothing but a circus thus far. But I feel I'm voting for the lesser of two evils myself. To each their own though, we will just have to see what happens this November.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:49 pm
by Shorts
matthew5656 wrote: Wasn't Palin's speech a bit one dimensional?
Explain please.


I'm not mixing up the difference between president and vice president, but the point missed was the known fact of a vice president being first in line to take the presidential role for any reason.
You're right, you're not (you're = critics). Though critics are burying McCain before he is cold and dead and BO has yet to labeled deceased just once.



I'm far more comfortable with a President Biden if Obama were hurt or missing. But McCain is 72, one of the oldest presidential nominees in history, certainly bringing along a higher risk of death very soon.

Presidents 1-40 lived an average of 10yrs in retirement before passing. That includes those KIO. Of course Bush 41, Clinton, and current Bush are still present. The oldest Pres who took office was Reagan and lived 15yrs of retirement - he was 93yrs old.

I do not feel safe with a right winged governor for less than two years as my commander in chief. This was nothing more than a strategical move for McCain to sway the resentful Hillary supporters onto his side.
Not completely. Part of the strategy was to pick up some women voters who were still on the fence, but it was understood not all women would flock to. Don't be shortsighted on that. A lot of women are bent out of shape with McCain, but those women wouldn't have voted for McCain anyway, even if he picked a man. And with that, would these same women vote for Palin if she were male? I think not. So, the Hildebeast voters all spooled up is a non-issue. McCain wasn't getting their votes anyway.

A tricky move sure, not too beneficial for the American people to have a competent president as well as vice pres, but a smart move for McCain to win the race, none the less. But there were far more republican running mates certainly more qualified than Palin for Mccain to choose from.
True, there were others too choose from. But if he did choose a traditional WASP-like character McCain, would stand no chance of running on a platform that includes reform. Bringing in an outsider is a down payment and shows good faith to make real of the promise of reform of Big Washington. It also helps solidify this outsider is genuine about reform that Palin has in fact produced reform results of her own in her respective state. And she went about it from a grassroots level by simply joining the PTA years ago.

And where did anyone hear that Obama is friends with a terrorist? Where's the speculation?
This was an issue in the Primaries. And it still would be for the fact MSM (mainstream media) has put the lid on it. It is no secret there are left leaning networks and they do heavily lace their coverage in favor of BO. As for the terrorist in question it is William Ayers. Ayers was pretty active far leftist (through violence) around the Chicago area. His professional field is in Education ), he is a professor and his civil pursuits include school reform. It was on this reform committee that he and BO worked together, whioch is the connection under scrutiny:
The two served together on the Woods Fund Board from 1999 until Obama left in 2002. Ayers had other contact with Obama as a resident of Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, hosting Obama's first fund raising reception in his first Illinois state Senate campaign in 1995, appearing on education panels together, and donating $200 to Obama's campaign in April 2001

And it looks as if McCain has major ties with Bush, being that he voted along with him for the majority of his time in office. And now McCain is apologizing for the last eight years. Really? Seriously?
It seems ignorance, or lack of recognition of connections should cut both ways. Re: Obama/Ayers vs Bush/McCain. Obviously, it doesn't.

As for BOs home state of IL, seems like they have their fair share of failings. Prime example, Chicago. You got the Democratic political machine with Mayor Daly at the helm, wildly rolling through and they have some major issues that have yet to be settled. They step in one cowpie after another yet there has been "more of the same" in regards to the functioning of a failing city government.

SlimColo is quite right in his thinking. And I agree, this race has been nothing but a circus thus far. But I feel I'm voting for the lesser of two evils myself. To each their own though, we will just have to see what happens this November.

At least people are interested.

Edit - added: Unfortunately, no candidate is spotless and I don't think there ever will be. They are, after all, human. Everyone should at least vote responsibly to their convictions and preferences. Do your homework on the issues, don't be swayed by hype, but don't be afraid to get excited for the candidates for real reasons that affect you. At the end of the day, we are all taking a leap of faith with our votes. That will never change.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:21 am
by ofblong
wow shorts answered without me having to :D. Good post shorts :D.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:52 am
by dean owens
shorts, i wish we lived closer together. i'm pretty sure we'd get along quite well. :D