Just Picked up 05' R6!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loonette]

Had it been MY girlfriend, and she'd rode that bike off the lot and killed herself on it, she wouldn't have been the only death due to the purchase of an R6 that day...

Everyone wants to blame someone else for their stupidity. If you buy an R-6 and paste yourself on it, you alone are ultimately to blame. If more people viewed life like this there would be alot less newbs smashing up new bikes.......

at the same time you need to protect those that you love, yes She is to blame for sure. however you cant(at least I couldnt) let the salesguy slide based on your reasoning of 'she was dumb enough to buy it so its her fault when shes dead'. did the salesguy give her other options did he make an effort to explain the risks involved with this purchase? if he made an effort to talk her out of it or at least pointed out the dangers/disadvantages Then id have no problem with the sales guy. it would be all on the girl for being dumb enough to buy it. but im sure the salesguy made a big push for her to get that bike so hes wrong for doing it and id let him know how i felt if it was someone close to me like that.

Oh my... the salesman did nothing "wrong". We've been over this many times before. Salesmen are not in our lives to educate us (except as to which options come with a vehicle and things like that). Their main purpose in life is to make as much money as possible selling products that are legal for them to sell to consenting adults. Doesn't make them nice or not nice - just salesmen.

For me, I appreciate it when people care enough about me to help me understand something that might bring harm my way. However, I would be incredibly offended by a boyfriend attempting to keep my own bike away from me. Or telling me what I am going to do with my own situation. It sounds as if she has been warned, but doesn't care. She's trying to keep up with the image of some other woman, and who knows, she may even try to keep up with a pack of riders on the road and make a fatal error. But that's all about the person - not the bike nor the saleman who sold the bike.

I wish her much luck and hopefully she'll spend lots of time on the 250 first. Keep us posted...

Cheers,
Loonette

[iwannadie]

again i just want to say the salesguy didnt do anything illegal or whatever. yes hes out to sell something and make his money and has no obligation to do anything other than make the sale. that being said if he puts the life of someone I Know in danger, he has a problem now with me involved. he then will deal with me for putting the person i know in direct harms way. if i see a sales guy sell some kid i dont know an r6 i could careless im not directly involved. i was just saying if i was That guy who was involved, those are the things i would be doing.

if i was at the shop and saw that chic buy the r6 knowing she was a new rider id prolly laugh how stupid of a purchase that was and said no thing to either of them because i dont know her so its not my problem. she probally walked in saw the r6 herd a friend recomend it and the sales guy was happy to make his comission.

[cb360]

I think there's a difference in 'blaming' the salesperson and expecting more of them, even if it's a false hope. For the record, I've worked with tons of fantastic salespeople who work very hard to sell product... AND provide knowledge and service. Those are the types of professionals who get my repeat business and lots of referrals. On the surface at least, I don't think the salesperson in this case qualifies. All of this assumes of course that he(she) was a dirtbag who wanted to move a big-money bike regardless of the consequences to the purchaser - when we obviously know nothing of the sort - she could have had her mind made up when she walked through the door and he did in fact try to steer her in another direction... we simply don't know. We do know however, that there are plenty of dirtbags out there that would sell anything to anyone as long as they made a few bucks - no more or no less than in any other profession. All I'm saying is that I personally wouldn't sell a racing bike to a beginner unless they absolutely insisted and after I explained very clearly the risks involved and pushed better options... just the same as I wouldn't sell a house to someone who couldn't clear a credit check or a gun to someone who appeared suicidal. I'm not talking about laws or regulations, I'm talking about ethics. I don't expect to find them with everyone I deal with but I do hope to.

[keysman]

Are the sales people like that all over the world? I know here in the good ole' USA it's all about the bottom line and selling as many units as you can in a month, but it it like that everywhere? I'm just curious. I have only been to 3 countries other than the USA and I never made any large purchases while I was there so I wonder if the sales people are the same no matter where you go.

[High_Side]

Everyone wants to blame someone else for their stupidity. If you buy an R-6 and paste yourself on it, you alone are ultimately to blame. If more people viewed life like this there would be alot less newbs smashing up new bikes.......

If anyone wants to read this again, they might notice that I didn't pass judgement on the salesperson. Like realtors,you are a fool to assume that salespeople are looking out for anyones best interests but their own. What he did would really be irrellevant if people would take accountability for their own safety. Instead, people choose to be stupid and then assign blame (sue) when it all goes wrong. It's difficult for me to find alot of sympathy for people like this.....

[cb360]

High_Side

Instead, people choose to be stupid and then assign blame (sue) when it all goes wrong. It's difficult for me to find alot of sympathy for people like this.....

I completely agree. I'm not blaming anyone and I don't expect too much of sales people... just wishing out loud. And my #1 wish for the purposes of this thread is that dennis27's girlfriend learns how to ride skillfully and safely and that one day soon she turns a lot of heads while she zooms by on that r6!

[TheReaper]

Instead, people choose to be stupid and then assign blame (sue) when it all goes wrong

Isn't this a sad truth. People are going to make mistakes, even some really stupid ones at times. It bugs me though when it's always someone elses fault. Own up to it.

To be on topic however, when I was looking to purchase my bike, one salesman I talked to stated they reserved the right to not sell a bike based on a riders skill level. This came from me saying I was new to riding but had always admired the R1. He was a pretty cool guy and showed me lots of options to the FZ6, the bike I ultimately purchased. While I felt he may not have sold me an R1, I didn't get the vibe he'd hesitate to sell me an R6. In fact as options to my FZ he showed me the Honda CBR F4i and the Interceptor. I think if I'd have said get me an R6 he would have. I mean, as it is I may have pushed it with my FZ, I know the Hondas probably would've been too much. However, as he was showing me these bikes it did ultimately come down to me. Which one did I want and how much risk did I want to take. I don't blame him for showing me options, that's what he was there for.

[Sev]

Had it been MY girlfriend, and she'd rode that bike off the lot and killed herself on it, she wouldn't have been the only death due to the purchase of an R6 that day...

Everyone wants to blame someone else for their stupidity. If you buy an R-6 and paste yourself on it, you alone are ultimately to blame. If more people viewed life like this there would be alot less newbs smashing up new bikes.......

Not if the salesman talks you into buying one, especially above a beginner model. When I went shopping for my first bike I was told that for someone my size (110lbs) the ideal bike (cruiser style) to LEARN on. Would be an 800cc marauder. Over the bike I was looking at a 650 savage. The difference being about 300 lbs dry weight, and double the HP.

It's liquid cooled, and you can put a great big windshield on it.
In my head, "and I can drop it at every damn traffic light and make you guys a fortune in repair bills."

The sad sorry fact is that if I'd gone in for a sportbike, knowing nothing and he tried to sell me a Gixxer over a Bandit or any other bike out there I probably would have gone for it. But I took the time to educate myself. Some people expect to be educated at the store, which is unfortunate. Because sadly a lot of people out there won't try and talk you out of a bad purchase. Especially when on commision.

Sadly we often cannot trust those who are selling us the toys.

[High_Side]

I mean, as it is I may have pushed it with my FZ, I know the Hondas probably would've been too much.

There is not a lot of real world performance difference between an F-4I and the FZ6. They have similair power and the F4I has a more solid chassis......

Had it been MY girlfriend, and she'd rode that bike off the lot and killed herself on it, she wouldn't have been the only death due to the purchase of an R6 that day...

Everyone wants to blame someone else for their stupidity. If you buy an R-6 and paste yourself on it, you alone are ultimately to blame. If more people viewed life like this there would be alot less newbs smashing up new bikes.......

Not if the salesman talks you into buying one, especially above a beginner model.

You are missing the point Jeff. As your mother may have asked you "If someone tells you to jump off of a bridge, would you do it?" No, of course not. Somewhere between that lesson learned as a kid and the full develpment of being an adult, many people seem to get off the bus.....while it's going down the highway! Then they want to blame the bus driver for not making sure he had the bus stopped before they opened the door and stepped out

[Dennis27]

Thanks for all the posts... man I really opened a can of worms here... anywho I was going to post pics but I cant figure out how to post them here so..sorry