Motorcycle Riding Banned...

[RhadamYgg]

My motorcycling was considered to be unlady like and not proffesional, there for not putting forth a good image.

Wow, welcome to 1955. It's hard to believe that they could (or would) throw out a statement like that in this day and age. Isn't there a discrimination suit in there somewhere?

I'm glad that you worked it out (for the most part), but they put you in a hell of a position. If it were me it would be a deal-breaker, even with the investment of 4 years or education as riding is at the core of what I am.

Hopefully this is the last that you will hear of it.

I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I was thinking that the protections on freedoms are for the minority not to be ruled by the majority - and it seems to me very clear that the protections of the minority (motorcycling females) is quite clearly contravened here.

Do you have an actual document that says motorcycling is unladylike for management?

RhadamYgg

[Ryethil]

If you sign the contract, what happens if you leave before 3 years?

If and when I sign the contract, I'm literally promising that I will be there for 3 years. They are promising me that my job will be there for the full 3 years that the contract lasts. However, there are outs for special circumstances. I have no fear that I can't do the job well enough to be considered an asset. They are betting that too and have given me partial power to make changes as I see they are needed. I will have to justify them to my superiors but they will take place unless they are considered dangerous or a few other things like cost. However, if I choose to just quit without reason then there are penalties but the biggest problem that I would face is that I would be considered irresppocible. And the next place that I applied to work at would know that I was irresponcible.

Before I took my boards I had worked out a lot of things with the hospital if I came to work for them. Pay was a big sticking point but I got what I wanted in the end. So they have played fair to a point. Now I have to live up to both mine and their expectations. This is my first job and they have already given me a certain amount of respect that wasn't expected.

It was that it was never discussed that I would have to give up things that I consider undeniable freedoms. The fact that I had a lawyer and fought back without just going off in a huff shocked them but now they respect me further.

3 years is a long time but it's job security in a world that looks more and more insecure. It has shown one major advantage so far. My partner has been dealing with the bank and they are very impressed with my contact and they think we will have little problem getting the mortgage we need for the house we've been wanting.

Once again, I panicked and in the end I won out even so. However, there is a bigger and bigger tendency to catagorieze Motorcycles and their riders to be dangerous and it's somehow the motorcyclists fault that the SUV didn't see them. We're being more and more demonized because of the actions of a few riders. So the next time you see that squid on that Yaz600rr, try to talk some sense into him. The new reports on motorcycle safety are painting us with the same brush. And we are all going to be sacrificed for the actions of the few.

However, there is a greater problem that is becoming a problem across the nation. That is that somehow the corperation has a vested interest in their employees and this gives them the right to have a say in their personal lives. I've heard from people all over the US who have told me about their own problems with their particular management and what it has cost them keep their jobs. It's a shame really since this is America, the home of the free. But I'm going to do what I need to do to keep keeping on!

[Ryethil]

No felonies? Means you better keep the speed down on that new ST!

Not so funny! Texas has a felony speeding law and a felony vehicular endangerment law too. Who would of thought that I could do the fandango for running 80 in a school zone.

[Ryethil]

I don't understand the dificulties with this corp from my background as a NYS supervisor. In our state you are clearly covered by workman's comp going to and from work reguardless of your preferred legal mode of transport under state law. I got embroiled in a case with one of my subordinates...so I heard all about it a few years ago! Of course things may have changed yet again.

I understand you have good legal representation. I don't understand the infringement of your personal rights. I think you may also have some federal issues there especially if the corporation is interstate regardless of the location of the hospital.

A three year contract? Did they provide you any compensation in getting your ticket that they are due this?????????

Legal and illegal 101!!!

The corperation is interstate and that worked in my favor to a point.

First of all like I said earlier, I had worked out a deal with the hospital that basically paid me the maximum that was possible to get me to work for them. I know! How do I know that it was the maximium. They got frustrated and just showed me their book of salaries and dispensations and where I fit into it. No, they could of gone higher but I was pressing the limit. Especially, since it is my first job as a nurse.

First of all, their originsal contract was bogus and had no basis in legality. If I hadn't had a lawyer, I would have never known that and may have just signed it or said to h*ll with it and found something else. But this seems to be a coming thing in modern America. But my the lawyer knew that and called them on it. So they tried a watered down version of the same tactic and got no where with it. My councel explained the way things worked and they knew that if they wanted me they would have to be straight with me. They also knew that they were on shakey grounds at best. Again, it was all him for I didn't know any of this.

Before I got the results from the certification board, I had really negotiated hard to get the best deal I could. This made them think they owned a piece of me. No Wano! But again my lawyer was the one to call them on it. So anyway, they are paying me a salary that a much more experienced Nurse could of claimed. It's my first job and I can go real far if I do well.

As for the 3 year contract, in the orginal contract they had mentioned that hey would pay my school loans if I played ball with them. When they realized that their initial actions had caused them to seem/be guilty of several laws, they said that they would pay for my student loans if I signed a 3 year ciontract. So they didn't pay any of my "ticket" per se but they have negotiated a longer contract that helps them in exchange for paying my school loans. Actually there is quite a bit of school loans to pay off so I'm expecting that they will renegotiate at some time to lengthen my contract if I prove to be equal their expectations.

As for all thier manuervering, it got them no where. They couldn't put in the things they tried to put in but if I hadn't had my lawyer, I could of signed my life away without knowing better. And in the end they respect me more for fighting even though I could of lost everything. In fact whenI posted here, I thought I had.

[Ryethil]

I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I was thinking that the protections on freedoms are for the minority not to be ruled by the majority - and it seems to me very clear that the protections of the minority (motorcycling females) is quite clearly contravened here.

Do you have an actual document that says motorcycling is unladylike for management?

RhadamYgg

Yes that is the basis of the American way of life but somewhere along the line all that got sidetracked. As I said earlier, they basdically gave me a bogus contract that I could sign or get out. My lawer, not me, knew enough to call them on it and they folded. I find it frightening that they would do something so blatant and then expect me to just sign it. I've learned more in the last two days about goverment and law to scare me.

The biggest thing is that riding a motorcycle is LEGAL and they can't make it not so. However, it is food for thought that we are made to look more and more like the perpertrators not the victim. So the problem comes down to the point if they give you an agreement and even though it is illegal in the sense that it trys to restrict your freedom. If you sign it, the contract becomes legal and you can only fight it in civil court. So is this just the opening volley or is sanity somehow going to make a comeback?

Dunno...

[BuzZz]

Personally, I would not trust that employer after they pulled the stunt they did. It seems obvious to me that they are more than willing to do whatever they want to their employees if they feel it is in their own interest.

If they are willing to ignoring your rights right from the outset, do you trust them to not try something similar, or worse, in the future?

I'm hardly qualified to give advice one way or the other about your career, but it is something to think about.

One more opinion..... corporations have no respect for anyone. Maybe some of the people you are dealing with do, but even if so, it all counts for nothing if The Guys with Ties decide what they want counteracts want you want. If respect is important to you, look for it from your co-workers and patients, not from any corporation. Just my

[Ryethil]

Personally, I would not trust that employer after they pulled the stunt they did. It seems obvious to me that they are more than willing to do whatever they want to their employees if they feel it is in their own interest.

If they are willing to ignoring your rights right from the outset, do you trust them to not try something similar, or worse, in the future?

I'm hardly qualified to give advice one way or the other about your career, but it is something to think about.

One more opinion..... corporations have no respect for anyone. Maybe some of the people you are dealing with do, but even if so, it all counts for nothing if The Guys with Ties decide what they want counteracts want you want. If respect is important to you, look for it from your co-workers and patients, not from any corporation. Just my

Buzzz, are you trying to be my conscious or what?

Everything that you say I think about and I don't like it all that much though it isn't as simple as all that. Then what is?

As far as the hospital is concerned, I have had no problem with the local management. They have played fair by me and while we have some differences, we've managed to work them out. I'm bent in sort of a funny way and they know it and yet they want me to work for them. From what I understand is that when I asked for so many perks and salary comiserate with those perks, the hospital was afraid to lose me and acquiesced. This caused the corperate flacks to get involved. The Trama Center is a major cash cow for the hospital/corperation and what the hospital had promised me somehow threatened that. So the corperate people tried to reduce that and put me back into line.

My lawyer stopped them in thier tracks and they were made to toe the line. The corperate hacks found themselves in a no win situation and we had 2 contracts that could be used against them if they wanted to make a fight of this. Like I said it was all the lawyer's doing, I would have probably signed the contract and suffered the consquenses.

Now however the regional boss took a hand in all this and he and my lawyer talked a contract through and both agreed to it. We would over look the illegalities that of the first 2 contracts and in turn they rescheduled my pay and benefits. They decided that instead of what was ill-considered wage schedule the hospital would pay for my school loans and things like that. There are so many pay perks for the various conditions that I work under that I won't be hurting.

As far as future conditions and performance evaluations, the hospital was made to realize that I couldn't walk on water. They had drastically overestimated my abilities and experience. Now, I will be evaluated on the work that I do not what they hoped I could do. I don't question if I can do the work or not, just that I'm judged on the work that I do.

As for the future, the regional boss is passing my supervision ot the hospital, for good or bad. As far as they're concerned if I can do the job then I will have little problem from them.

So I have to decide if I can trust them or not and how will the corperation deal with me in the future I don't know but it looks like it could work for a while and If they renege, I've gotten the experience and it will look good on my resume.

My lawyer says to take the job for if they try anything, we can pull their teeth. I would like to work there for the sheer excitement of it.

So I'm willing to try it for at least a while. We'll see about the rest.

Hey, as long as I don't wear it in the ER, I can go back to being a patch wearer. I just can't involve the hospital into anything I do on my off hours. Everything is cool so far. I just hope it stays that way.

[BuzZz]

That's awesome. Sounds like the best outcome all around.

Congratulations, eh!

But I'd keep that lawyer handy....

[pchast]

Sounds good, just remain aware. No need for paranoia.......

luck with it,
Pete

[sapaul]

I am shocked, since 1996 we have had a constitution that does not allow discrimination of any kind and they would not get away with that here. Bearing in mind we are a young democracy and still have a lot to learn, but I find what I am reading to be almost party like. A deliberate suppresion of your right to travel however you want.

Would they do the same if you drove a McLaren Mercedes ?