im looking into these bikes here , and suggestions.

[erbgottie]

Not that I would recommend either to a beginner but.....

If given the choice between a SV650 and a CBR600RR, I would say that the CBR600RR is a far better choice for a beginner than a SV650.

This is hahaha sarcasm right??? If it is hahaha, if not you obviously have never ridden a SV650 before, 30 some less HP, A LOT easier to handle, I've ridden one for 15K miles and I've had my fair share of rides on my buddies F4i..........total night and day between the 2.

[HYPERR]

Not that I would recommend either to a beginner but.....

If given the choice between a SV650 and a CBR600RR, I would say that the CBR600RR is a far better choice for a beginner than a SV650.

This is hahaha sarcasm right??? If it is hahaha, if not you obviously have never ridden a SV650 before, 30 some less HP, A LOT easier to handle, I've ridden one for 15K miles and I've had my fair share of rides on my buddies F4i..........total night and day between the 2.

Why is this sarcasm? I have ridden them both. Have you ever ridden a CBR600RR?

Here are some reasons for my "assertion".

1. The SV650 is far easier to pull an unintentional wheelie than a CBR600RR.
You flick the throttle abruptly on the SV650 in the lower gears, the front end will come up. The front end will not come up on the CBR600RR under 7000 rpm even in first gear. The only way to wheelie below that is to clutch it up.

2. The SV650 is Mr. Full Disclosure while the CBR600RR is Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. The CBR600RR has absolutely no power below 7000 rpm and the real power only comes in over 10,000 rpm. If you ride this bike and shift at 5000 rpm, you would think that it has no better acceleration than a decent automobile. The SV650 has a ton of pull and thrust even at 4000 rpm all the way to its redline of 10,000 rpm. The CBR600RR will simply run away from the SV650 at this point but do you think a new rider will be riding in 10,000 - 15,000 rpm range?

3. The brakes on the CBR600RR have incredible feedback. The rear is one of the best I have ever experienced. It is very linear, has great power, yet is almost impossible to lock up. The rear on the SV650 is much easier to lock up in the hands(foot?) of a beginner. As you know, panic release of a rear lockup is one of the more common beginner mistakes.

4. The CBR600RR's suspension is far more forgiving than the one on the SV650. The CBR600RR will hold its line much better than a SV650 and will almost "ignore" small mistakes while the SV650 will not. This seems to be a characteristic of most naked twins.

5. Despite the SV650 being more torquey, the CBR600RR complains far less from being in the wrong gear. Of course being in the wrong gear may not give you the power you need but that is not a priority with a new rider. Interstingly enough, my Hypermotard despite being a torque monster, is really particular about being in the right gear.

6. Fear of plastic. I believe, and many beginners concur with me that they will tend to do less stupid things when they know that a getoff will result in massive damages to fragile shiny fairing.

7. This one is totally my opinion but the characteristic of the SV650 is lot more likely to bring out the hooligan in the rider than the CBR600RR.

I would never recommend either bike to a beginner but if I had to choose between a rock and a hardplace, I think the CBR600RR is a safer bike for a beginner than the SV650.

[lcurtis19]

well i appreciate all the help and concern towards all this.. right now my main focus is getting this safety course out of the way so that i can get my endorcement. from there ill decide on the bike.. but all of ur input has def helped. thank you!

[matthew5656]

That's a decent argument hyper and frankly i'm shocked to see someone come out and say it like this on tmw. Reasoning because, honestly when I first began reading throughout this forum, at one point I had developed a small fear about all of the inline 4 race replicas due to so many countless threads anyone can find highly discouraging someone riding a 600RR 100hp+ bike for their first, and even some do not suggest for anyone's second.

ok so I have not ridden an sv650 or the sv1000.

and maybe i'm just a very conservative rider when it comes to my throttle control on the vtr1000, but it takes some effort for my 200lbs to wheelie that thing in second or third gear. first gear has plenty of thrust on just about any motorcycle and a beginner has to be careful of that, even on the smallest of bike. however, once you develop a feel for the torquey vtwin's power curve, the engine speed and acceleration begin to feel smooth, precise and predictable. I'm assuming the sv's horespower will begin building around 2500 rpm-3000 and max out hp around 9,000, and then really bottom out and remain stagnant between 9k-11k. ok my thought is, if a rider is careful in the beginning and really works on their throttle rotation, the small sv will not catch you off guard in too many situations.

now the cbr is a little different, that thing can ride calm and smooth like a tamed animal one second, but a little twist of the wrist and it takes off like a bottle rocket shortly after the fuse is lit.

ok i'm not in total disagreement with ya hyper, i think you have many good points about the sv and it's overall performance being inferior to the newer cbr models, but i find it difficult to determine which bike would keep someone's "O Ring" on their seat, and not in the next driver's rear window.

o and to the other guy, i'm really sorry and i'm not trying to hijack your thread, i just think it's a very interesting comparison between two vastly different bikes in production today. but i think you should stick with a ninja 500r/suzi gs500/suzi sv650/ninja 250r/ninja 650r/or a hayabusa. in that order starting from the ex500.

[jstark47]

Last fall, I posted about my stepdaughter getting her endorsement and trying to master riding skills on a late model GSX-R600. (Her boyfriend owned the bike, but he's no longer in her life so thankfully the gixxer is out of her life too.) Although the throttle never got away from her, she found the sport riding position to be very disadvantageous to learning to ride and turn with confidence, especially the low speed skills. If there's ever a "next bike" in her life, she says it will be a standard.

Makes sense, standards have a lot going for them as first bikes.

[HYPERR]

she found the sport riding position to be very disadvantageous to learning to ride and turn with confidence, especially the low speed skills. If there's ever a "next bike" in her life, she says it will be a standard.

Makes sense, standards have a lot going for them as first bikes.

That is a personal thing. Some riders will find it the other way around. Obviously the sport riding position ultimately give you the best control and feedback. Some may not find it comfortable or to their liking but the control and the command that it gives you from this riding position (assuming one does not lack the physical endurance and the strength) is quite significant.

[jstark47]

she found the sport riding position to be very disadvantageous to learning to ride and turn with confidence, especially the low speed skills. If there's ever a "next bike" in her life, she says it will be a standard.

Makes sense, standards have a lot going for them as first bikes.

That is a personal thing. Some riders will find it the other way around. Obviously the sport riding position ultimately give you the best control and feedback. Some may not find it comfortable or to their liking but the control and the command that it gives you from this riding position (assuming one does not lack the physical endurance and the strength) is quite significant.

Sorry, I can't let that statement sit. The sport riding position only gives the best control to those who have the training and experience necessary to use it. Most noobs have neither. Without the developed reflexes needed to both process the subtle feedback from the bike and to provide the nuanced control inputs, the practical level of control available to a noob from that riding position is inferior.

[HYPERR]

she found the sport riding position to be very disadvantageous to learning to ride and turn with confidence, especially the low speed skills. If there's ever a "next bike" in her life, she says it will be a standard.

Makes sense, standards have a lot going for them as first bikes.

That is a personal thing. Some riders will find it the other way around. Obviously the sport riding position ultimately give you the best control and feedback. Some may not find it comfortable or to their liking but the control and the command that it gives you from this riding position (assuming one does not lack the physical endurance and the strength) is quite significant.

Sorry, I can't let that statement sit. The sport riding position only gives the best control to those who have the training and experience necessary to use it. Most noobs have neither. Without the developed reflexes needed to both process the subtle feedback from the bike and to provide the nuanced control inputs, the practical level of control available to a noob from that riding position is inferior.

Mr. Stark, you bring up an interesting point.
Is this your opinion or is this based on a scientific fact?

What do you mean developed reflexes?
Aren't reflexes natural ability based on genetics that deteriorate with age?
And what does reflex have to do with riding position?

[jstark47]

Hyperr, call them "developed reactions". "Reflexes" was the wrong word.

As far as my point (instead of splitting hairs about my choice of words), it is based on empirical observation. As is, I imagine, your contention that the sport riding position provides the best control.

[HYPERR]

Hyperr, call them "developed reactions". "Reflexes" was the wrong word.

As far as my point (instead of splitting hairs about my choice of words), it is based on empirical observation. As is, I imagine, your contention that the sport riding position provides the best control.

Yes that makes more sense. I think reflex are more required on a motard type bike.

Yes my statement is based on empirical observation as well. Although since all racebikes have that riding position, I would tend to believe that it is indeed the ideal position for maximum control when other factors such as comfort is not important. That being said, that is not the point in question. You feel that one can only benefit from this riding positon only after a certain period of learning process. It is an interesting and certainly a fair argument. I'm not really convinced but I would certainly be all ears (eyes) if anyone else want to chip in.