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Uuuhhhh, what was the question?

Booze, even beer, is obtained through a fairly complicated chemical proccess devised by mankind. Pot grows naturally. That about sums it up for me. You'll never see a bunch of guys smoke a joint or 3 and decide it's time to fight the entire bar or smack the wife around...... you need liquor for that.

Booze gives me a headache when drinking, then a wicked hang over the next day(or two), so I don't drink much. When I do drink, it is ussually hard and fast... it's fun for a few hours in the right circumstances, but not worth the way I feel afterwards. Still do it occationally....

I do smoke weed though. And I'm good at it. But I would never recommend it to someone else. That's for each person to decide themselves. I do maintain it is easier on your body than booze is, if you don't count that pesky lung cancer-thing. They sell vaporizers for that if it's a big concern. I prefer my big, cloudy billows, personally....

I don't smoke at work normally, but I'm on 24/7 call so it has happened where I have been at work while good-n-stoned. I wouldn't recommend that either......

B.C Bud was great.... you poor Yanks didn't get the best stuff either, we kept that for ourselves . The quality of B.C. Bud has fallen sharply the past 5 years or so. The Canadian Government also grows and sells pot to people who have a prescription for it. I've smoked what they grow. It sucks. Very low quality dirtweed, at best. And oh yeah, it SUCKS!!! Did I mention that?

I don't spend much on my personal herb anymore, mostly 'supplies'. That way I avoid the cost, the unknown additives and the hassle of finding it.

if your ever going to try something new i say do it with one person you really trust and they have to keep sober just to be your support.

one time i was invited to a friends house and we decided to smoke up, it was me this guy(not a great friend just someone i knew for a while) his gf, and his gf's mom. we all got wasted, but it wasnt normal weed at least nothing like what ive had. i freak out bad, i was seeing people in their house and they were talking to me and stuff(there was noone else there). then the 3 Real people decided to go out and leave me behind. i was sitting in a chair and watching the room literally get pulled away from me as it felt like my head was floating ever upward. the tv was on a spanish channel the whole time i thought i was watching a personal message from a higher power. just a really really bad trip in an unknown place while alone. that was a bad mistake i wont ever want to make agian.

I smoke once every couple months or when i go to a concert. my job doesnt drug test, and if they catch you smoking they would force you to go to a rehab thingy; not fire you. I think the reason rx is illegal is because it can stay in your blood for 30+ days while alcohol is usually gone in 24 hours or so. also, you can elimiate alcohol from your blood 1 drink per hour... if you take a hit of good weed you are screwed up for a couple hours at least.

earwig wrote:I smoke once every couple months or when i go to a concert. my job doesnt drug test, and if they catch you smoking they would force you to go to a rehab thingy; not fire you. I think the reason rx is illegal is because it can stay in your blood for 30+ days while alcohol is usually gone in 24 hours or so. also, you can elimiate alcohol from your blood 1 drink per hour... if you take a hit of good weed you are screwed up for a couple hours at least.

but drug testing for the weed they can tell exactly how much is in your system. say you smoke weed on monday at home then have an accident at work on friday. they drug test you and see yes you have it in your system but its trace amounts that didnt have any effect on you causing the accident at work. just because its in your system doesnt mean its effecting you still. from what ive been told they can usually judge the trace amounts to pinpoint how long ago you smoked even.

the whole alchoal taking 1 hour per serving to burn off is just a guess anyways and by no means a universal rule. for me it seems Alot less than that, for others i know they take one drink and are messed up for hours on end.

Since the original question was about pot, I'll address that. I have known several people, mostly through work relationships who smoked pot. Every single one of them were negatively effected by it. None of them would admit it though.

"Pot is a gate-way drug". This statement is almost 100% true in my experience. I've seen more than one friend get bored with pot and try worse narcotics. One of those friends successfully bought an auto-repair business and ran it for a few months while smoking away, then decided to make real money he needed to work 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's when he switched to meth. He's in the hospital now, lost his fiancee and no longer has a business.

I have another friend - a mechanic - who seems able to control his pot habit and maintains a semi-normal life. He even seems unlikely to try anything else, but he is unreliable, even as a friend. All he wants to do is smoke. There is never enough pot for him.

I guess there are people who smoke a bit here and there and that might be harmless, but why? It hurts people, Period. Why must you light a plant on fire, and inhale the smoke so you can feel different? I just don't get it.

Toyuzu wrote:Since the original question was about pot, I'll address that. I have known several people, mostly through work relationships who smoked pot. Every single one of them were negatively effected by it. None of them would admit it though.

"Pot is a gate-way drug". This statement is almost 100% true in my experience. I've seen more than one friend get bored with pot and try worse narcotics. One of those friends successfully bought an auto-repair business and ran it for a few months while smoking away, then decided to make real money he needed to work 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's when he switched to meth. He's in the hospital now, lost his fiancee and no longer has a business.

I have another friend - a mechanic - who seems able to control his pot habit and maintains a semi-normal life. He even seems unlikely to try anything else, but he is unreliable, even as a friend. All he wants to do is smoke. There is never enough pot for him.

I guess there are people who smoke a bit here and there and that might be harmless, but why? It hurts people, Period. Why must you light a plant on fire, and inhale the smoke so you can feel different? I just don't get it.

gate way drug. pfft i hate that argument. anyone who smokes weed and moves on to harder stuff is just that type of person, how many of those people start with alchoal first then move to the weed? if you get a taste of a mind altering drug and decide you want more, then any mind altering drug can be Your gateway. even caffeine can be argued as a gateway drug for certain people. saying the weed is The gateway drug is just narrow minded.

you seem to make this assumption based on less than 5 people you happen to know. also you dont know all the facts about their drug use either.

to me this argument is like saying people will see violence on tv and feel the need to act it out.

or someone has a motorcycle capable of doing a wheelie so they go doing wheelies every where they go.

iwannadie wrote:

Toyuzu wrote:Since the original question was about pot, I'll address that. I have known several people, mostly through work relationships who smoked pot. Every single one of them were negatively effected by it. None of them would admit it though.

"Pot is a gate-way drug". This statement is almost 100% true in my experience. I've seen more than one friend get bored with pot and try worse narcotics. One of those friends successfully bought an auto-repair business and ran it for a few months while smoking away, then decided to make real money he needed to work 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's when he switched to meth. He's in the hospital now, lost his fiancee and no longer has a business.

I have another friend - a mechanic - who seems able to control his pot habit and maintains a semi-normal life. He even seems unlikely to try anything else, but he is unreliable, even as a friend. All he wants to do is smoke. There is never enough pot for him.

I guess there are people who smoke a bit here and there and that might be harmless, but why? It hurts people, Period. Why must you light a plant on fire, and inhale the smoke so you can feel different? I just don't get it.

gate way drug. pfft i hate that argument. anyone who smokes weed and moves on to harder stuff is just that type of person, how many of those people start with alchoal first then move to the weed? if you get a taste of a mind altering drug and decide you want more, then any mind altering drug can be Your gateway. even caffeine can be argued as a gateway drug for certain people. saying the weed is The gateway drug is just narrow minded.

Alcohol is very damaging, I'll not disagree with that. But it's LEGAL. Weed is not. If a person is willing to go behind the local 7-eleven and score a dime bag (do they still use that term?) they will be more likely to try other illegal substances than "average David Drunk".

you seem to make this assumption based on less than 5 people you happen to know. also you dont know all the facts about their drug use either.

I know many others. I only listed two examples. I just didn't want to list them all. I know enough facts to see that their lives, and the lives of those close to them were negatively effected by their use.

to me this argument is like saying people will see violence on tv and feel the need to act it out.

I thought we were talking about weed...? But while we're on the subject, there is an overwhelming pile of psycological evidence proving that the de-sensitizing effects of viewing violence on tv makes the viewer more likely to be violent. It's a simple fact, and a main reason why I don't have cable or satellite service.

or someone has a motorcycle capable of doing a wheelie so they go doing wheelies every where they go.

You may be right there. I tried once, but my clutch is too weak. I might be quite the hooligan if I could loft the front whenever I chose.

Not taking issue with anything you said Matt(execpt one), everyone's experiances differ. Because they differ, it is not possible to state that grass is a gate-way drug with any accuracy.

A gate-way drug is a pretty broad statement, and not entirely true(or un-true), but the worst gate-way drug is alcohol, by far. I garantee that very near 100% of all drug users took a drink or 3 before they ever considered trying anything else. Not everyone who has had a drink or drinks regularly moves on to weed or coke or meth. Not everyone who smokes pot moves onto opiates or chemicals either. The whole 'gate-way' therory is flawed and based on ideas from the same people who believed dancing is immoral and leads directly to sex(and if that were true, I would be a dancer ), and gave us movies like 'Reefer Maddness'... one of the all-time funniest flicks ever made.... but funny for the ludicrousway it portrayed the effects of being stoned.

I will grant you that getting intoxicated on anything makes little sense. But I get a very real buzz from riding, and I bet more than a few folks here do as well, so does that make motorcycles a drug? If so, should they be illegal? No argueing that bikes are dangerous......

When I find myself daydreaming when I should be doing something else, it's not pot I'm thinking of, it's motorcycles.....
If they make bikes illegal, I will still ride.....

BuzZz wrote:Not taking issue with anything you said Matt(execpt one), everyone's experiances differ. Because they differ, it is not possible to state that grass is a gate-way drug with any accuracy.

A gate-way drug is a pretty broad statement, and not entirely true(or un-true), but the worst gate-way drug is alcohol, by far. I garantee that very near 100% of all drug users took a drink or 3 before they ever considered trying anything else. Not everyone who has had a drink or drinks regularly moves on to weed or coke or meth. Not everyone who smokes pot moves onto opiates or chemicals either. The whole 'gate-way' therory is flawed and based on ideas from the same people who believed dancing is immoral and leads directly to sex(and if that were true, I would be a dancer ), and gave us movies like 'Reefer Maddness'... one of the all-time funniest flicks ever made.... but funny for the ludicrousway it portrayed the effects of being stoned.

I will grant you that getting intoxicated on anything makes little sense. But I get a very real buzz from riding, and I bet more than a few folks here do as well, so does that make motorcycles a drug? If so, should they be illegal? No argueing that bikes are dangerous......

When I find myself daydreaming when I should be doing something else, it's not pot I'm thinking of, it's motorcycles.....
If they make bikes illegal, I will still ride.....

An outlaw I would be then as well. A bit harder to hide a Yamaha than it is to hide a baggie though doncha think?

Dancing - immoral? I don't think so, though some styles are certainly questionable. I don't dance simply because if I did, everyone would run screaming away, mentally scarred for life.

Notice I said "almost 100 % true" about the gateway statement. Remember - this is related from my own observations. I don't parrot what everyone tells me. I only present what I observe. Not everyone I know who smokes does other stuff too, but most of them do. Just what I've seen.

Toyuzu wrote:
Dancing - immoral? I don't think so, though some styles are certainly questionable. I don't dance simply because if I did, everyone would run screaming away, mentally scarred for life.

Yeah dancing is immoral and a sin. Grandma told me that for as long as I can remember, and it carried through all the way to the 2 weeks I spent in Seminary. When I was 15 I went dancing with a couple of local girls(trying to get layed and failing ) one night. That night my older cousin got drunk and drove into a bridge support, killing himself and his 2 best friends. Grandma blamed me for that till the day she died. Somehow my pathetic white-boy attempts at rhythm caused Glen to get drunk and get killed in her mind, and the Pastor's mind and most people in the churches mind as well. The logic of that never was appearrant to me, but it was crystal clear to them.

Toyuzu wrote:Notice I said "almost 100 % true" about the gateway statement.

Notice I said it was 'not entirely true(or untrue)'. It is too dependant on the individual and other factors to an accurate therory.