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iwannadie wrote: we are at war with a country most people in the US and the rest of the world think we should not be at war with.
Not true and who cares. Not true that most people in this country feel we shouldn't be at war with them and who cares what other countries think?
Whaaa? Nice attitude. Typical of the image the rest of the world holds of America.... America don't care about nothing but America and is willing to lie, cheat and kill to advance thier own interests and who cares what it does to other countries. This is why people fly airlines into skyscrapers. It is not because they are jealous of Americas freedoms(or claimed freedoms) or thier wealth. It's that very attutude, spouted off by individuals carried out by your government, that makes people want to see the US as a smoking hole in the ground.

Like or not, the U.S.A. is not the only only country in the world, and acting like it is won't change that. And claiming it is the best country in the world only works if you believe it. A vast majority of the world population doesn't agree with that, trying to make them believe it by force ain't workin so good.

I am the most pro-american Canadain I know, I like the place, would live there if it was feasable. Don't agree with alot of your policies, but I don't agree with alot policies of any government, especially mine. But this 'America is best, the hell with the rest' attitude is arrogant, self-serving, anti-christian, and will lead to more heartache for you and the rest of the world. No Empire lasts forever, they always fall. The west's time will come eventually. There's over 5 billion people out there who ain't American who are just waiting for the chance to take you(and by extension, us) down. The world will turn, and the USA is not the world, just a small part of it. And that very attitude will be a leading reason for it. Wake up Man, there's a whole world out there that you can't just ignore. You can try, but it will come back to slap you in the face.

Time for America to grow-up and realize the universe doesn't revolve around them, no matter how many tanks and planes you have. Many already have, maybe you should give it a think.
i dont like being lumped into the proud americans that think like ZooTech. i dont want my neighbors to hate me lol

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iwannadie wrote: we are at war with a country most people in the US and the rest of the world think we should not be at war with.
Not true and who cares. Not true that most people in this country feel we shouldn't be at war with them and who cares what other countries think?
Whaaa? Nice attitude. Typical of the image the rest of the world holds of America.... America don't care about nothing but America and is willing to lie, cheat and kill to advance thier own interests and who cares what it does to other countries. This is why people fly airlines into skyscrapers. It is not because they are jealous of Americas freedoms(or claimed freedoms) or thier wealth. It's that very attutude, spouted off by individuals carried out by your government, that makes people want to see the US as a smoking hole in the ground.

Like or not, the U.S.A. is not the only only country in the world, and acting like it is won't change that. And claiming it is the best country in the world only works if you believe it. A vast majority of the world population doesn't agree with that, trying to make them believe it by force ain't workin so good.

I am the most pro-american Canadain I know, I like the place, would live there if it was feasable. Don't agree with alot of your policies, but I don't agree with alot policies of any government, especially mine. But this 'America is best, the hell with the rest' attitude is arrogant, self-serving, anti-christian, and will lead to more heartache for you and the rest of the world. No Empire lasts forever, they always fall. The west's time will come eventually. There's over 5 billion people out there who ain't American who are just waiting for the chance to take you(and by extension, us) down. The world will turn, and the USA is not the world, just a small part of it. And that very attitude will be a leading reason for it. Wake up Man, there's a whole world out there that you can't just ignore. You can try, but it will come back to slap you in the face.

Time for America to grow-up and realize the universe doesn't revolve around them, no matter how many tanks and planes you have. Many already have, maybe you should give it a think.
Way to read into that statement, BuzZz. If France doesn't like our policies, but we know we are in the right, who cares what France thinks? I didn't realize the point of establishing your own nation was to make friends with all the others at any cost. If Galileo had been more concerned with what the Catholic church thought of him than what the truth was, we'd still believe the earth was the center of the universe. No nation will gain the unanimous backing from every other country on earth regarding its policies, but from where I'm sittin' we have quite a few powerful and influencial allies in this war. The people we're after do not wish to make peace with Israel or with us...they wish for us all to be dead, on behalf of thier war-mongering god. The way I see it we have to do what we're doing in Iraq in order to survive. We are the most generous country on earth, rushing to the aid of countries in need, even if they openly hate us. What we get in return is anti-American sentiment and some spit in the face. I'd like to see how everyone's attitude towards us would change if we stopped sending them money and aid left and right. But again, I'm not at all concerned with what they think of the United States. I have met the REAL America at bike meets, at churches, at work, and in the heartland of this country. The REAL America stood up on election day and voted in a President who acts on his beliefs and convictions, even if they are unpopular. And furthermore my hero, Jesus Christ, died a painful death on the cross because what he had to say turned out to be "unpopular". I am not concerned with popularity, BuzZz, as evidenced in another thread. I am concerned only with the truth. And the truth is we are, whether anyone likes it or not, a God-fearing country founded on Christian principles. And that, my friend, is unpopular by default.

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RUSH: Henry in Indianapolis, hi. Welcome to the program, sir.

CALLER: Hey, Rush, Little League football coach dittos.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: I am calling because I thought I was beyond being surprised by the liberal left media, and this morning on CNN Miles O'Brien just would not stop browbeating Haley Barbour. First, it's Haley's fault that it's the hurricane, I understand, but then he says, "How come the government, the federal government is not doing enough?" and Barbour said, "But FEMA is here." He said, "Yeah, but the military and the National Guard." Barbour said, "They're all here."

RUSH: I have the audio sound bites to this, and I'm glad you called. I don't have much time here so let's really get to them. Miles O'Brien talking to the Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, and the basic question in the first bite, "Governor, do you have the sense that the federal government's dropped the ball here?"

BARBOUR: I really don't, and I think it's very unfair for the federal government -- for you to say we knew this was a great, powerful storm. This is a category one hurricane when it hit Florida. Now, that's the truth.

O'BRIEN: Governor! Governor! Governor, it was a category five storm --

BARBOUR: The federal government --

O'BRIEN: A category five storm when it was --

BARBOUR: No, it was a category 1 storm. It was a category 1 storm when it hit Florida. It was a category 5 storm a few hours before it came ashore.

O'BRIEN: Governor Barbour...

BARBOUR: The federal government has been tremendous partners to us.

RUSH: You see what's going on here, Miles O'Brien is trying to get Haley to indict Bush, indict the federal government. The federal government didn't do enough! Bush didn't do enough! That's the whole point of the mainstream media today, and he continues, "Governor Barbour, surely there was enough knowledge in advance of this, matter of days, not hours before it ever struck landfall?"

O'BRIEN: Governor Barbour, surely there was enough knowledge in advance that this was a huge killer storm a matter of days, not hours, before it ever struck landfall. And it seems to me the military --

BARBOUR: Now, Miles, if this is an interview or an argument, I don't care. But if you want to let me tell you what I think, I will.

O'BRIEN: OK, go ahead.

RUSH: Stop the tape! stop the tape. I'm going to tell you what he said here since that's muddy. Barbour said, "Now, Miles, is this an interview or an argument? I don't care, but if you want me to tell you what I think, I will, and what I think."

And O'Brien says, "Go ahead."

And Barbour says, "This is a storm that strengthened in the Gulf. We begged people to leave. Thousands of people left. Thousands of people left New Orleans. The federal government came in here from the first minute in fact in advance. They've been tremendously helpful whereas the Coast Guard, the Corps of Engineers, FEMA. Now, I don't think it's all fair --"


O'Brien, "But --"

[Barbour] "And I'm not going to agree to that because I don't believe it's true, this indictment."

And it's all over the place now, "Why didn't Bush do more?" Scott McClellan just got in the White House press briefing, "Why is Bush letting these people die? Why isn't Bush rescuing these people down there in New Orleans?" It's getting ugly. I told you it was going to be.

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George Bush is an empty suit??? How dare you say such lies about our leader! He's definitely not empty - he's full of s__t!

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Actually, it was the 44% job approval rate that caught my attention. That would indicate some of the people who voted for him have become disenchanted.
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I didn't read into anything, Zoo. It sits there and screams at you ..... :wink:

I might have gone a little overboard, I might not have, I ain't admitin' to nuthin', but I stand by the sentiment.... on both sides. The basic 'America first, the rest... yeah, we'll deal with them when and how whenever...' attitude and image is what I was railing against. In general. So if you want to argue specifics, your outta luck. It would be no fun for you anyway, I don't have the knowledge or interest in the political realm to make it worth your time. :?
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BuzZz wrote:I didn't read into anything, Zoo. It sits there and screams at you ..... :wink:

I might have gone a little overboard, I might not have, I ain't admitin' to nuthin', but I stand by the sentiment.... on both sides. The basic 'America first, the rest... yeah, we'll deal with them when and how whenever...' attitude and image is what I was railing against. In general. So if you want to argue specifics, your outta luck. It would be no fun for you anyway, I don't have the knowledge or interest in the political realm to make it worth your time. :?
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ZooTech wrote:and who cares what other countries think?
Um ... sensible people do.

Really.
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Some of you who have read my posts know I'm not much of a fan of GW, but here is a sidebar for those who think they know what is happening in my birth-state of Louisiana. Those of us that live in the South know exactly what happened with Katrina and Nawlin's. I think this sums it all up:
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
September 02, 2005
by Robert Tracinski

It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included -- did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations -- that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep -- on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

Comparing this disaster with December's tsunami is a complete mistake. The geography, logistics and population concentrations are completely different. This is one event that few around the world could handle.
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