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You don't get it, we've explained it and you don't get it. What do you want us to do, explain it in a different language? Should I be using monosylabic words?


Slow Speed Skill = High Speed Skill

If You Good At Slow Speed Stuff Then It Make You Good At High Speed Stuff.


It's not a question of whether or not you have the need to use the specific skill, it's the fact that being able to do it (the stupid circle) is an indication of your general mastery of your bike. And I'm of the opinion that if you cannot do it on your bike, then you shouldn't be on the street on your bike.

Because the DMV cannot take you out to the track and watch you thrash the hell out of your bike, dragging knees and popping wheelies, dropping stoppies everywhere, they do the LOW SPEED EQUIVALENT.

Like I said before, "any idiot can go fast in a straight line, it takes real skill to go slow."

Mintbread wrote: You just don't get it. They are not testing you to make sure you know how to do a tight U-turn, it is simply a means to determine your ability to control the bike at slow speeds.
Do you think they are going to run through every possible scenario you may encounter whilst riding?

800 miles you say? Sorry for doubting you...

well im fine then if you don't mean the U-turn... i can control my bike fine at crawling low speeds.

im just not good enough yet on tight spaces.

Yup... any weiner can go fast... it's the one's that can perform at super low speeds that have the real skill.

Sorry you dropped your bike. That is a sucky situation, fo' sho'! That's why I always recommend to my friends to get a bike that they don't mind dropping a few times... once they get those initial drops outta the way, then they can get something nicer.

going slow in a straight line doesn't count.

We are talking going slow and doing a circle one direction, then doing it in the other, do some evasive maneuvers, come to a full stop without putting your feet down and start back up...you know, maneuvering

It's not a question of whether or not you have the need to use the specific skill, it's the fact that being able to do it (the stupid circle) is an indication of your general mastery of your bike. And I'm of the opinion that if you cannot do it on your bike, then you shouldn't be on the street on your bike.

I am definitely with Sev on this one.

VermilionX wrote:well im fine then if you don't mean the U-turn...

But that's exactly what he means....

DivideOverflow wrote: We are talking going slow and doing a circle one direction, then doing it in the other, do some evasive maneuvers, come to a full stop without putting your feet down and start back up...you know, maneuvering

i can do the circle just not as small as the DMV.

i can do the full stop and then go w/o putting a foot down. i do this a lot on stop signs if the other sides are clear.

what else?

Sevulturus wrote:...

Slow Speed Skill = High Speed Skill

not really...

you can't counter steer if you're slow so you can't lean the bike like the way you take corners since you'll just drop at low speed.

taking corners fast requires countersteering and body leaning but on slow tight turns, you counter-lean... you don't counter lean when going fast around a corner. you lean w/ the bike.

so i don't agree.

we aren't trying to attack you here Verm, it just sounded like you found the whole idea of low speed maneuvering unimportant. I'm glad you can do those things, and you should be able to. Like someone else mentioned, we arent going to run through every situation to make sure you can do it. The point is that you need to be aware that a great deal of a rider's skill is derived from their ability to control their bike at slow speeds, it translates to faster speeds later on. (you might not agree, but knowing how to handle your bike does make it easier at higher speeds, even though it is counter steering)

This isn't just about you either, this is information for anyone who might have similar feelings as the poster, that the test isnt important, or is stupid. It is very relevant, and I think the tests should be harder. I was able to pass the MSF without ever touching a motorcycle before. That is good for me, but I think people should have a little more experience before being handed a license, a multi-stage program would really help. I took it upon myself, just like you did, to spend a lot of time in parkinglots to get my skill up to snuff. A lot of people don't take the time to master their skills before heading out on the road.

DivideOverflow wrote:we aren't trying to attack you here Verm, it just sounded like you found the whole idea of low speed maneuvering unimportant. I'm glad you can do those things, and you should be able to. Like someone else mentioned, we arent going to run through every situation to make sure you can do it. The point is that you need to be aware that a great deal of a rider's skill is derived from their ability to control their bike at slow speeds, it translates to faster speeds later on. (you might not agree, but knowing how to handle your bike does make it easier at higher speeds, even though it is counter steering)

This isn't just about you either, this is information for anyone who might have similar feelings as the poster, that the test isnt important, or is stupid. It is very relevant, and I think the tests should be harder. I was able to pass the MSF without ever touching a motorcycle before. That is good for me, but I think people should have a little more experience before being handed a license, a multi-stage program would really help. I took it upon myself, just like you did, to spend a lot of time in parkinglots to get my skill up to snuff. A lot of people don't take the time to master their skills before heading out on the road.

i don't see slow speed manuevers as unimportant. you guys misunderstood me.

i just see the DMV test as more of an exhibition rather than a test of being able to ride safely.

VermilionX wrote:

Sevulturus wrote:...

Slow Speed Skill = High Speed Skill

not really...

you can't counter steer if you're slow so you can't lean the bike like the way you take corners since you'll just drop at low speed.

taking corners fast requires countersteering and body leaning but on slow tight turns, you counter-lean... you don't counter lean when going fast around a corner. you lean w/ the bike.

so i don't agree.

LMAO

And you don't need to balance a bike at high speed. Wait... you do. And you don't need to lean at high speed. Wait... you do! But It's WAY EASIER TO DO! The intertia makes the bike easier to control.

As far as counter steering, once you're told how it works and try it once you've got it. As you've so eloquently shown it's not nearly as easy to pick up the slow speed skills.

So if you need to work really hard to balance your bike at slow speeds, wouldn't that make you better at it at high speeds? Nooooo, of course not. Based on the questions you've asked you don't know a lot, one would think you'd be willing to learn from those who've ridden more, rather then argue with them.

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