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blues2cruise wrote:

fiveoboy01 wrote:Oh give me a break. I come back here after being gone for months, and this "crumb" is still going on.

Verm knows it all, and no one can give him advice.

I can get that lean angle than that on my Ninja 500, and I DON'T have to take my butt off the center of the seat OR stick my knee out.

It's plainly clear that all you care about is dragging a knee on the blacktop. Probably the only reason you bought the bike in the first place. That, and it's bright red...

You're nothing but a poser. The REAL bike riders must laugh at you behind your back. I know I would...

This is verm's blog. There is to be no bashing in a person's blog.

+1 and who the "fudge" are you? you come around once every 5 months, bash someones blog and run, man your cool.



JWF

He saw that others like picking/bashing/hating Verm. And took the opportunity to try and get his testicles to descend by bashing him a bit seems to me.


blech. what a tool.

You handlebar inputs may very well be the source of your problems - or at least a major part. In at least one of your photos, the positioning of your arms appears to be very tense. From an outside perspective, it does not look like you're using your arms to guide the motorcycle with smooth and fluid inputs. What it does look like, is that you have a death grip on the clip-ons, which is the exact opposite of what you are aiming for. Your hands, and arms should be relaxed - you should be able to flap your elbows like a chicken flaps its wings, while accelerating out of a turn, without disturbing the steering, or throttle input. If you can't, you're too tense.

The reason you push right the right clip-on to turn right lives in more than just countersteering. You could just as easily pull on the left to go right as well. The phsyics remains the same, from the motorcycles point of view. The physiological actions are however very different, in terms of muscle groups used, as well as the level of bone/joint loading. This results in stability and control issues in your body, which will translate to stability and control issues on your motorcycle.

All of my on-track racing experience is from the four wheeled world, I've openly admitted that a number of times, so it should come as no shock. The key points however remain the same, especially with regards to cornering, steering input, braking, and accelerating. Motorcycles involve more dynamics related to stability as a direct result of having only two contact patches, as well as a very short wheelbase and high power to weight ratio. When racing cages you do the same steering inputs to turn, though there is no counter steering, you do not pull the wheel, you push it. Just changing from being a wheel puller to a wheel pusher typically drops lap times a full second. There is greater control, thus less upset to the machine's chassis - allowing for a better line, faster corner entry, corner speed, and as a result exit speed.

I may not understand your motives, or why there are RR stickers on the back of a GSXR750, but as always I am willing to do what I can to explain that which I am not sure you understand. Could I very well be wasting keystrokes, and minutes of my life? Oh yeah, but if any of it soaks in, you might actually get a good handle on this riding thing, and that wouldn't be a bad thing IMNSHO.

thanks mack.

i need to relax my other hand(whichever hand im not pushing w/)

like i said... when i push on the bar i noticed that my other hand is countering it. therefore im turning but im not turning sharp enough.

i need to either learn to relax my other hand or learn to pull to aid the push on the other hand.

other thing i need to work on is putting weight on the insiede peg when entering the corner.

these should make me take sharp turns and lean lower once i get the hang of it.

you might be having trouble keeping your arms loose because you're hanging your butt off of your seat, which would tense up your opposite arm. that's probably why minty said you looked like you're hanging on for dear life (imho it does look like that). try keeping your butt on the seat, and see if your countersteering problem works itself right out. i'm guessing it will.

Big B wrote:you might be having trouble keeping your arms loose because you're hanging your butt off of your seat, which would tense up your opposite arm. that's probably why minty said you looked like you're hanging on for dear life (imho it does look like that). try keeping your butt on the seat, and see if your countersteering problem works itself right out. i'm guessing it will.

im really curious... minty is not answering... what signs do you see that show that im tense.

like i said... i had a lot going on my mind on each turn i take on that PLP so i know im not psychologically relaxed but i can't see how it translates to my physical condition just based on those pics.


i wanna learn how to read riding body language too. thanks.

The Crimson Rider® wrote:like i said... i had a lot going on my mind on each turn i take on that PLP so i know im not psychologically relaxed

That says that you're riding over your head.

Practice when no one else is around. drop a couple of corner markers in a unused parking lot (flattened coke cans work fine) and start slower. Work your way up to speed as you make many passes around your "course."

It'll get automatic, then your mind won't be so busy and then you can work on the little things. But you have to solve the big problems first.

Remember the saying "practice makes perfect" -- it's wrong. Perfect practice makes perfect. When your "practice" involves competing with the local knee-draggers club one day a week, you're not getting anything out of it. Ask one of them how long he worked on his technique. I'll be it was a lot more than an hour every Saturday.

Go hit a parking lot after the mall closes, and do corners until you hit reserve. If you work your way into it, using good technique, you'll have scuffs on your sliders before you're at half-tank.

The angles made by your wrists, elbows, and shoulders - right up to your neck are not in sync with what someone comfortable and relaxed looks like on a sportbike. I believe that is what the others (and certainly what I) sense as high levels of tension in your riding.

You are also backwards on the footpeg weighting, you do not need to put weight on the inside peg - you need to transfer weight to the outside peg. There should be no pulling going on, for the reasons I stated earlier. Just a push - both hands should be equally relaxed. Everything is a balance, which is why you're weighting the outter peg when you lean - you're putting mass on the side of the turn, and you want to balance that with force to the outside. Unless of course you are fond of lowsides and roadrash. Also, instead of holding on to the handlebars for stability, try keeping your backside in the seat where it belongs, put weight on the outter peg, and use the outter knee to hold yourself up w/ the tank.

Another thing I notice is your foot position on the inside foot. I don't know what it is you're doing, but that isn't right - unless your goal is to drag toe hard, break your ankle, and wad up that GSXR. I would be more constructive there, but it's hard to put that into words really. The balls of your feet belong on the foot pegs to give you the most feedback you can. They only move from that position when braking or shifting gears, and even then it should be only momentarily. Middle of the foot, toes pointed down and in the direction of the turn is possibly the single most strange thing I've seen this week, and that's saying something considering I'm directly in charge of 7 brand new Privates with no apparent brains at all!

Seca Girl wrote: Remember the saying "practice makes perfect" -- it's wrong. Perfect practice makes perfect. When your "practice" involves competing with the local knee-draggers club one day a week, you're not getting anything out of it. Ask one of them how long he worked on his technique. I'll be it was a lot more than an hour every Saturday.

Go hit a parking lot after the mall closes, and do corners until you hit reserve. If you work your way into it, using good technique, you'll have scuffs on your sliders before you're at half-tank.

some of the guys on the PLP were like me... never dragged before. but they were dragging after a while.

there were also some that didn't drag but like me... the PLP also gave them more confidence.

one guy told me to not worry... he said he thinks on the next one. i will get it right. it was very encouraging and nice of him to say that.

anyway... there's no parking lots big enough around my area. the mall parking lots aren't that big.

macktruckturner wrote:The angles made by your wrists, elbows, and shoulders - right up to your neck are not in sync with what someone comfortable and relaxed looks like on a sportbike. I believe that is what the others (and certainly what I) sense as high levels of tension in your riding.

You are also backwards on the footpeg weighting, you do not need to put weight on the inside peg - you need to transfer weight to the outside peg. There should be no pulling going on, for the reasons I stated earlier. Just a push - both hands should be equally relaxed. Everything is a balance, which is why you're weighting the outter peg when you lean - you're putting mass on the side of the turn, and you want to balance that with force to the outside. Unless of course you are fond of lowsides and roadrash. Also, instead of holding on to the handlebars for stability, try keeping your backside in the seat where it belongs, put weight on the outter peg, and use the outter knee to hold yourself up w/ the tank.

Another thing I notice is your foot position on the inside foot. I don't know what it is you're doing, but that isn't right - unless your goal is to drag toe hard, break your ankle, and wad up that GSXR. I would be more constructive there, but it's hard to put that into words really. The balls of your feet belong on the foot pegs to give you the most feedback you can. They only move from that position when braking or shifting gears, and even then it should be only momentarily. Middle of the foot, toes pointed down and in the direction of the turn is possibly the single most strange thing I've seen this week, and that's saying something considering I'm directly in charge of 7 brand new Privates with no apparent brains at all!

i don't get it but i'll take your word for it regarding me looking tense.

weighing on the inside peg and also pushing the tank w/ my outer tigh(i just remembered this tip i got) should help me. i haven't been doing these. and yes... my goal is to take sharp turns and lean low.

w/ my .13" chicken strips... i think im not yet at a high risk of lowsiding.

regarding my inside foot... i just learned to use the heel guards on my bike that day... i didn't even know those are heel guards LOL!. i guess im not doing it right if you think it looks awkward.

but man, using the heel guards when you stick your knee out and try to position your knee perpendicular to the bike takes some getting used to. my thighs gets tired after only a couple of turns. i need to get used to it. and like i said... i got a massive cramp at the end of the day and i almost dropped my bike.