Couple of questions about riding

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#31 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:07 pm

LoL, you win, you obviously know more, based on the.. PICTURE!

Why Counter-Steering?

Again, we cannot stress this point enough: Imagine yourself cruising down the highway on a beautiful spring day. Suddenly you see (insert your worst nightmare here) in the road, covering the right two-thirds of your lane. If you do not consciously understand and use counter-steering, you will probably push on the right bar in an attempt to steer left like you would on a slow moving bicycle or in a car where you steer left to go left. Pushing on the right will steer you directly into the object. The correct action here would be to push on the left bar and steer away from the obstacle. So remember: "Push left, turn left. Push right, turn right." Repeat this to yourself over and over while you ride. Once you get the hang of it, counter-steering will become instinctive -- your body probably knows how to do it, it's just your mind that is lagging. Understanding the principles behind counter-steering will make you smoother and give you a better feeling of control over your environment. It may also save your life. Like any safety technique, it only works if you practice it. Unless the action is second nature, you will return to your old habits during an emergency. So, practice, practice, practice.

You're an accident about to happen. But you're right, I don't know a single thing about this.

earwig · #32 Unread post by **earwig** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:08 pm

Hey JWF i am not talking about racing and neither was the original post! He was asking about common countersteering! I don't think this newbie was worried about knee dragging! What is wrong with you people spazzing out about a darn forum!

#33 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:10 pm

earwig wrote:Hey JWF i am not talking about racing and neither was the original post! He was asking about common countersteering! I don't think this newbie was worried about knee dragging! What is wrong with you people spazzing out about a darn forum!

i didnt read whole post, so ya got me there, just kinda jumped on someone for saying that you dont countersteer at high speeds. Though I just gotta ask and really want to know. Who or what program told you that you dont at high speed, and who told you to do it at low speeds. . .

JWF

#34 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:12 pm

Tire pointed at photographer while he is turning away from said person

same thing, high speed turn on mx bike

another one

*edit* deleted one pic so that it wouldn't throw off the frames.

earwig · #35 Unread post by **earwig** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:13 pm

at VERY high speeds you hang off the side of the bike. if you take the msf what they consider counter steering you do at low speeds one example is the corner where you have to stay between the lines and take the turn. you have to be doing extreme racing to countersteer at high speeds.

JWF505 wrote:
earwig wrote:Hey JWF i am not talking about racing and neither was the original post! He was asking about common countersteering! I don't think this newbie was worried about knee dragging! What is wrong with you people spazzing out about a darn forum!

i didnt read whole post, so ya got me there, just kinda jumped on someone for saying that you dont countersteer at high speeds. Though I just gotta ask and really want to know. Who or what program told you that you dont at high speed, and who told you to do it at low speeds. . .

JWF

earwig · #36 Unread post by **earwig** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Sev... like I told JWF he is talking about slow speed and normal every day riding countersteering not racing, genius. He is a new rider wonderig how to ride I hardly think he is worried about knee dragging. You should think before you tell people they are saying something "stupid" and offering a trophy.

#37 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:16 pm

earwig wrote:at VERY high speeds you hang off the side of the bike. if you take the msf what they consider counter steering you do at low speeds one example is the corner where you have to stay between the lines and take the turn. you have to be doing extreme racing to countersteer at high speeds.

you dont have to be going to extreme as all racers do it. As for that turn, when i did it i just leaned a bit, and turned the bars slighty to where i was turning. . . hmmmm then again i dropped it the first time.

JWF

#38 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:16 pm

I'm going to bookmark this thread and it's going to come back to haunt you later on.

What I will say now is that countersteering is the most effiecient method of inducing a lean at high speeds.

But I'll tell you what, I'll try your suggestion and push out on the left bar at slow speeds and watch myself turn right. Then I'll take it up to 100+miles an hour and do the same thing and turn left.

I suggest you try the same thing, otherwise you're going to end up in an accident some day.

earwig · #39 Unread post by **earwig** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:23 pm

OMG im not saying you dont have to "countersteer" in all situations but i believe he is referring to the type of countersteer where your body is on one side of the bike and you are turning toward the opposite way... maybe just confusion on my part, but I think you know what I'm talking about.

Sevulturus wrote:I'm going to bookmark this thread and it's going to come back to haunt you later on.

What I will say now is that countersteering is the most effiecient method of inducing a lean at high speeds.

But I'll tell you what, I'll try your suggestion and push out on the left bar at slow speeds and watch myself turn right. Then I'll take it up to 100+miles an hour and do the same thing and turn left.

I suggest you try the same thing, otherwise you're going to end up in an accident some day.

#40 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:27 pm

Countersteer is the action of pushing out on the inside handlebar to create a turn.

Which is to say you push out on the left handlebar turning the wheel to the right which makes you go left. It has nothing to do with body position.

It is called COUNTERSTEERING because by basic logic with the front wheel pointing right you should be going RIGHT.

What you are thinking of is counterweighting or counter balancing, where you put pressure on the outside peg of the bike to make sure that you don't tip over in a slow speed turn. Which isn't really something that you need to do in the first place, more of a crutch then anything else.