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JWF505 wrote: it's the afford part that gets me. And i've fallen in love with that accu-trigger. I got to play with a display thing of it at the LL Bean store and i want it.

ya, i got lucky with an uncle who works for them so i can get them really cheap or else i wouldnt be able to. There are such perfect rifles, Id go with either a Winchester or an Ithaca personally over a Savage, but Savage makes a decent gun.



JWF

My bro was told that if he is stationed in Iraq, even on his down time, he has to have his M16 rifle with him at all times. The only way to get around this on his off duty is if he has a 9mm handgun with him. They do not issue him handgun. Nowadays, from MY knowledge, atleast, a handgun is not an issued weapon unless you're an officer or some sort of group. (I.E. SEALs) where it's because you have to have the back up.

It has to be a 9mm because they don't supply other caliber ammunition for handguns.

ClearDark wrote:
This country was built on private ownership of guns. Everyone should exercise their 2nd ammendment right at some point or another. Do you trust the government to protect you and your family, or yourself as your own sworn duty?

I must repeat this ridicuous myth over and over again... I must repeat this ridicuous myth over and over again... I must repeat this ridiculous myth...



God! You guys are scary!

sv-wolf wrote:

ClearDark wrote:
This country was built on private ownership of guns. Everyone should exercise their 2nd ammendment right at some point or another. Do you trust the government to protect you and your family, or yourself as your own sworn duty?

I must repeat this ridicuous myth over and over again... I must repeat this ridicuous myth over and over again... I must repeat this ridiculous myth...



God! You guys are scary!

I smell a commie!!!!!

NorthernPete wrote:
I smell a commie!!!!!

No Pete, just someone who can distinguish a mind-set from an argument.

Guns kill more family members than they kill anyone breaking in to a home...just gotta go with the statistics. Won't own a gun (at least not one in the home).

Thats why I keep all my guns in a safe.

Hell my dad dont even know the combonation and he has more guns in there then I do.

CNF,

That's true and I'm glad you don't own a gun... but it is also a red herring.

A gun does not have to kill to prevent harm.

You can't balance who gets killed. You must balance the good against the harm.

For example... doctors cause a lot of deaths. So do nurses. I know a nurse who recently accidentally administered nitro to a trauma patient they weren't supposed to (they mixed up the nitro and dopamine bottles)...patient is dead now. There are perhaps 12,000 malpractice related deaths in the US every year. And of course we all know (or should know) about waived consent trials and the fact that the AutoPulse device trial probably killed 10 people alone... and that's just one of many trials that have and will be done. Should we do away with doctors? No. Why not? Because you balance the harm they do against the good they do.

Same thing with cars, airplanes, motorcycles, boats.... Many people die while using these things. We could make the world safer by outlawing them... but we instead balance the harm they do against the good they do.


Firearms do reduce crime. There is statistical evidence aplenty to support that assertion. There is anecdotal evidence as well. I won't take to burgling in part because I know that some percentage of the houses I might enter contain armed residents that will respond with force. Reduce that risk and I might be willing to take up burglary as a way to supplement my income... or, since it probably won't be me, a bunch of other people will. Increase the number of guns and you increase the risk of entry, decreasing the number of people willing to enter. That is the good you must balance against the risk of riding a motorcycl...err... owning a gun.

Which may make you wonder why I'm glad you don't own a gun....

dieziege wrote:


Firearms do reduce crime. There is statistical evidence aplenty to support that assertion.

In the UK where firearms are prohibited, we have far, far less violent crime than in the U.S. (And that is still the case, despite a recent rise in violent crime - which is happening alongside a rise in illegal firearm ownership.)

diez, if you saw me trying to play Duck Hunt you would realize that I have no business owning a gun