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dr_bar wrote:I think the most important improvement Verm has made, is his attitude about starting out on a litre bike. Sure he says it can be done, but more and more, his posts are leaning away from that point of view.


Who said education doesn't work...

you give me too much credit.

i still think it can be done and i still believe that if she wasn't stolen i would have continued to learn w/ her and improve.

also, one of my ridding buddy started on an R1 and he's gone through 2 R1s already. he was hit and run in the freeway and was out of riding for a lot of months. then he got another R1 and he still has it up to now.

im pretty sure several riders out there have started on literbikes and still fine today.

VermilionX wrote:

dr_bar wrote:I think the most important improvement Verm has made, is his attitude about starting out on a litre bike. Sure he says it can be done, but more and more, his posts are leaning away from that point of view.


Who said education doesn't work...

you give me too much credit.

i still think it can be done and i still believe that if she wasn't stolen i would have continued to learn w/ her and improve.

also, one of my ridding buddy started on an R1 and he's gone through 2 R1s already. he was hit and run in the freeway and was out of riding for a lot of months. then he got another R1 and he still has it up to now.

im pretty sure several riders out there have started on literbikes and still fine today.

They could be "fine" and even riding safely, but I think as far as skills go they are probably deficient and covering up for it with good bikes.
I'd wager if a real killer rider had a bike like mine, they could still beat riders like that.

I am thinking more and more I want to get to the skill level where I can embarrass your average literbike rider on my 500 before graduating.
We'll see...

< I Fly > wrote:
I am thinking more and more I want to get to the skill level where I can embarrass your average literbike rider on my 500 before graduating.
We'll see...

that's not such a bad goal.

good luck that.

check out the supermotards though.

< I Fly > wrote: They could be "fine" and even riding safely, but I think as far as skills go they are probably deficient and covering up for it with good bikes.
I'd wager if a real killer rider had a bike like mine, they could still beat riders like that.

I am thinking more and more I want to get to the skill level where I can embarrass your average literbike rider on my 500 before graduating.
We'll see...

For a little motivation, read THIS

Shorts wrote:

< I Fly > wrote: They could be "fine" and even riding safely, but I think as far as skills go they are probably deficient and covering up for it with good bikes.
I'd wager if a real killer rider had a bike like mine, they could still beat riders like that.

I am thinking more and more I want to get to the skill level where I can embarrass your average literbike rider on my 500 before graduating.
We'll see...

For a little motivation, read THIS

That guy is my new hero.
But personally rather than going off to the host, I would have just offered to beat them in a race myself.
Certainly it tells me I should hold off and cultivate my skills on the 500 a little more.

I can only imagine the big grin on that guy's face when they got back to camp for a little BBQ Though I think telling the host got the competition a little more 'media coverage' for lack of better words. He knew he could show those guys up in front of a bigger crowd than just the ones riding in that particular group at that stoplight. He's a smart guy, even if he was the 'biggest dork' at the party

< I Fly > wrote:Vermin, myself, and my friend have all had some unpleasant experiences with gravel... I hate gravel.

Actually I don't even know if my next bike will be a supersport.

I'm trying to choose between a liter class supersport, the Triumph 675, a supermoto bike, or a Honda Interceptor.

It's WIDE open right now.

I'll give you props for considering a D675, dare to be different (kinda).

Literbikes get crap for gas mileage too...

I like my Interceptor a lot, but it is a bit bulky compared to the other bikes you are comparing it to. The Triumph would be a sweet bike, but I'd want some serious track time on a smaller bike before hopping on something like that.

DivideOverflow wrote:Literbikes get "crumb" for gas mileage too...

i was getting an average of 37mpg on my previous 1000. that's not so bad.

im getting the same 37mpg avg on my 750 too.

i bet if you really run it hard all the time, you can still can get 30mpg.

I Fly, I say go for the bigger bike. Since you already know how the controls and throttle work on a motorcycle that won't be an issue no matter how big of a bike you hop on. Your new bike might even be better to learn low speed maneuvers etc. on than your current ride. Just because a bike has a lot of HP or torque at whatever RPM doesn't mean you have to start using all of that power right away. I babied my 2nd bike at first until I knew how it handled at different RPMs and now feel quite confident that I know how it will behave at any RPM/speed/surface etc. Your new bike might have 140 horsepower at 9400RPM in whatever gear but that doesn't mean you are going to or have to push the bike to those limits right away.