Deal's Gap crash video

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Locopez · #31 Unread post by **Locopez** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:38 pm

as much as I hate 2 say it. The guy on the bagger HD...has no one to blame but himself. Locked up the rear brake....bad place to pass!

mjmackenn · Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:18 am

I don't see where the driver was at fault at all, looked like the HD got fixated and locked the brakes. Not a smart pass, but it also doesn't seem like an impossible move, a little harder turn and he would have been fine.

basshole · #33 Unread post by **basshole** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:53 pm

You just can't believe that bikers too make stupid mistakes to can you?
Classic example of riding beyond your skills. The cage did nothing wrong and how many people need to pull over to look? Don't make excuses for stupid riders.

Shorts wrote:If you guys watch the yellow line just before you can hear the bike gun it, the cager actually pulls over to the left. I think the cager was attempting to get in the way of the bikes and not let them pass. Hence the "they're going to beat our bottoms"...they knew they swerved.

Then the bikes gun it to pass and poory negotiated what was up ahead.

The cagers should have stopped and waited. They could have parked the vehicle over as far as they could. Since there were several in the car, one could have gone back down the road a ways to flag oncoming motorist. The rest wait up front with the bikers.

They were scared and ran because they were partly to blame. The other was just bad judgement and driving on the bikers part.

VermilionX · Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:57 pm

yeah, it's the riders' fault.

i pass on double yellow lines too but i pick my spots now.

i did have close call before and that made me careful.

Shorts · #35 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:04 pm

basshole wrote:You just can't believe that bikers too make stupid mistakes to can you?
Classic example of riding beyond your skills. The cage did nothing wrong and how many people need to pull over to look? Don't make excuses for stupid riders.

If you read the entire post you so graciously quote, you should have read that I said "the bikes gun it pass and poorly (sp) negotiated what was up ahead".

What in my statement made you think that I believe the bikers are blameless? Or are you just itching to start an argument about something?

Shorts wrote:If you guys watch the yellow line just before you can hear the bike gun it, the cager actually pulls over to the left. I think the cager was attempting to get in the way of the bikes and not let them pass. Hence the "they're going to beat our bottoms"...they knew they swerved.

Then the bikes gun it to pass and poory negotiated what was up ahead.

The cagers should have stopped and waited. They could have parked the vehicle over as far as they could. Since there were several in the car, one could have gone back down the road a ways to flag oncoming motorist. The rest wait up front with the bikers.

They were scared and ran because they were partly to blame. The other was just bad judgement and driving on the bikers part.

basshole · #36 Unread post by **basshole** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:28 pm

You said that you feel the cager ACTUALLY tried to run him off the road. Thats rediculous! It's not the cages fault period the end.

Shorts wrote:
basshole wrote:You just can't believe that bikers too make stupid mistakes to can you?
Classic example of riding beyond your skills. The cage did nothing wrong and how many people need to pull over to look? Don't make excuses for stupid riders.

If you read the entire post you so graciously quote, you should have read that I said "the bikes gun it pass and poorly (sp) negotiated what was up ahead".

What in my statement made you think that I believe the bikers are blameless? Or are you just itching to start an argument about something?

Shorts wrote:If you guys watch the yellow line just before you can hear the bike gun it, the cager actually pulls over to the left. I think the cager was attempting to get in the way of the bikes and not let them pass. Hence the "they're going to beat our bottoms"...they knew they swerved.

Then the bikes gun it to pass and poory negotiated what was up ahead.

The cagers should have stopped and waited. They could have parked the vehicle over as far as they could. Since there were several in the car, one could have gone back down the road a ways to flag oncoming motorist. The rest wait up front with the bikers.

They were scared and ran because they were partly to blame. The other was just bad judgement and driving on the bikers part.

Shorts · #37 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:48 pm

Again, IF you read, I said the cager pulls in front as if to not let them pass. Not to try to run them off the road. There is a difference.

If you read the other posts, you'll also notice there were postings this was more than likely a large RV. It makes sense that the RV pulled wide, as per Loonettes post IIRC in order to make that sharper righthand curve. As I read those post, they paint the bigger picture.

Put two and two together, the bikers are tired of being behind the slow road hoggin' RV. They attempt to go around and crash. The cagers filled with some kind of guilty conscience, enough to say they should leave the scene, and then do so.

What exactly am I missing basshole? What am I not understanding that has got you so much in opposition that you are calling me out on my obeservations on this one piece of video? What is your problem?

basshole · #38 Unread post by **basshole** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:39 pm

the problem is you are still trying to blame the driver of the RV. I don't have a problem bro but it seem that you do. I seen this video on numerous boards and yours is the ONLY comment I've laying any blame whatsoever on the driver of the RV. I can't see any way shape or form you can lay any fault on his shoulders.

Shorts wrote:Again, IF you read, I said the cager pulls in front as if to not let them pass. Not to try to run them off the road. There is a difference.

If you read the other posts, you'll also notice there were postings this was more than likely a large RV. It makes sense that the RV pulled wide, as per Loonettes post IIRC in order to make that sharper righthand curve. As I read those post, they paint the bigger picture.

Put two and two together, the bikers are tired of being behind the slow road hoggin' RV. They attempt to go around and crash. The cagers filled with some kind of guilty conscience, enough to say they should leave the scene, and then do so.

What exactly am I missing basshole? What am I not understanding that has got you so much in opposition that you are calling me out on my obeservations on this one piece of video? What is your problem?

Shorts · #39 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:00 pm

Umhm. And my opinion on what I see, in a fairly objective matter no less, is an issue to who? What is the crime, your honor?

That I don't mercilessly rag on the biker means what? Does it mean that I don't see the biker's mistake? That I don't see how the biker failed to manuever his bike out of the bad situation he put himself in??? No. But if you think that, you're fairly narrow-mided.

That I think the Rv being in front made the bikers impatient is the cagers "fault"? No. I'm simply stating and describing what I see in the video. It is a fact the cager was in front of the bikers? Yes, it is.

Where do I say that I blame the cager for CAUSING the accident??

Why don't you man up to the fact you jumped on me for no reason other than you didn't like what I saw?? What is so wrong with that? Then I described to you what I saw, and why I said what I said.

Choke on it already. You're barking up a tree that isn't even there.

Shorts · #40 Unread post by **Shorts** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:09 pm

Oh and, I'm not your "bro".

Your lack of reading comprehension skills must really be annoying to live with.