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#31 Unread post by Loonette »

Skier wrote:
Ninja Geoff wrote:Manual mirrors suck because they're a pain in the "O Ring" to get set up right.
If you're adjusting them more than seasonally, something is wrong. Either with the mirrors or you. :wink:
"Scan" and I share our car (that's right - there's a few one-car families still out there in the world). Because of our different body heights, mirror adjustments happen each time the other of us drives the car.
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Ninja Geoff wrote:Oh, crank windows are a "dog" to open when you're driving. Ecspecially the ones on the other side of the car.
Do you have problems walking and chewing bubble gum? It's honestly not too tough to crank down a window unless it's defective.
Again - not everyone is YOU. When I used to drive my old 70's cars, if it started storming out (no A/C, mind you), I'd have to pull over, put the car in park, and then lay across the front seat to get the passenger window rolled up. I'm too short to have done it with my foot on the brake, much less while driving.

Some modern conveniences are SUPER convenient for some of us.

The little old lady scenario with the power locks is a bit much, however. If anyone is that worried about their safety, they should keep all their doors locked all the time (although, have fun being extricated from your car after a crash). I'm indifferent about power locks - they're there now on just about all cars, so I use 'em.

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Logitech105 wrote:
Skier wrote:I love my econobox with manual mirrors, lights, locks, windows, transmission and steering.
+1
noodlenoggin wrote:American car buyers want:
Automatic transmissions so they don't have to shift for themself
Cruise control so they don't have to push a pedal for themself
Automatic headlight shutoff so they don't have to remember to do it.
Automatic headlight TURNON so they don't have to remember it's dark.
Memory for their seats and mirrors so they don't have to do it themself every time.
Auto-dimming mirrors so they don't have to flip the lever themself.
Rain-sensing wipers so they don't have to flip the switch themself.
Brake-assist so they don't have to step on the pedal hard for themself.
Run-flat tires so they don't ever have to check their pressures.
Airbags so they don't have to wear the belt
Power locks so they don't have to push all four buttons.
Power windows so they don't have to use their arm muscles on a crank.
Parking sensors so they don't have to look in their mirror
Cruise control sonar so they don't have to look through their windshield.
my car has none of that - except cruise.
It's a big go-cart. And fun to drive.
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Bubba wrote:
Logitech105 wrote:
Skier wrote:I love my econobox with manual mirrors, lights, locks, windows, transmission and steering.
+1
noodlenoggin wrote:American car buyers want:
Automatic transmissions so they don't have to shift for themself
Cruise control so they don't have to push a pedal for themself
Automatic headlight shutoff so they don't have to remember to do it.
Automatic headlight TURNON so they don't have to remember it's dark.
Memory for their seats and mirrors so they don't have to do it themself every time.
Auto-dimming mirrors so they don't have to flip the lever themself.
Rain-sensing wipers so they don't have to flip the switch themself.
Brake-assist so they don't have to step on the pedal hard for themself.
Run-flat tires so they don't ever have to check their pressures.
Airbags so they don't have to wear the belt
Power locks so they don't have to push all four buttons.
Power windows so they don't have to use their arm muscles on a crank.
Parking sensors so they don't have to look in their mirror
Cruise control sonar so they don't have to look through their windshield.

Don't forget 'road sensors" so they actually don't have to drive.
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Bubba wrote:
Bubba wrote:
Logitech105 wrote:
Skier wrote:I love my econobox with manual mirrors, lights, locks, windows, transmission and steering.
+1
noodlenoggin wrote:American car buyers want:
Automatic transmissions so they don't have to shift for themself
Cruise control so they don't have to push a pedal for themself
Automatic headlight shutoff so they don't have to remember to do it.
Automatic headlight TURNON so they don't have to remember it's dark.
Memory for their seats and mirrors so they don't have to do it themself every time.
Auto-dimming mirrors so they don't have to flip the lever themself.
Rain-sensing wipers so they don't have to flip the switch themself.
Brake-assist so they don't have to step on the pedal hard for themself.
Run-flat tires so they don't ever have to check their pressures.
Airbags so they don't have to wear the belt
Power locks so they don't have to push all four buttons.
Power windows so they don't have to use their arm muscles on a crank.
Parking sensors so they don't have to look in their mirror
Cruise control sonar so they don't have to look through their windshield.

Don't forget 'road sensors" so they actually don't have to drive. :(
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Nalian wrote:While I think manual vs power features in a car are a matter of preference rather than 'what is better' - I have to completely disagree with you, Skier, that you should only be adjusting your mirrors seasonally. It's very convenient to be able to angle them to each situation you're in - whether it's parking, highway driving or local roads, etc.
I guess I've just never been in a vehicle that needed the mirror adjusted for those kinds of activities. Everything from tiny subcompacts to fullsized 3/4 ton trucks to box vans to delivery style truck/van hybrids and a lot in between. Basically everything you don't need a CDL for, driven in all of those situations, and I don't recall ever having to adjust the side mirrors. In all of those vehicles, driver height differed in at least a foot, and no adjustment was needed.

That's why I prefer the simple and light method of locking doors, adjusting mirrors and changing seating position.
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Skier wrote:
Ninja Geoff wrote:Manual mirrors suck because they're a pain in the "O Ring" to get set up right.
If you're adjusting them more than seasonally, something is wrong. Either with the mirrors or you. :wink:
"Scan" and I share our car (that's right - there's a few one-car families still out there in the world). Because of our different body heights, mirror adjustments happen each time the other of us drives the car.
Skier wrote:
Ninja Geoff wrote:Oh, crank windows are a "dog" to open when you're driving. Ecspecially the ones on the other side of the car.
Do you have problems walking and chewing bubble gum? It's honestly not too tough to crank down a window unless it's defective.
Again - not everyone is YOU. When I used to drive my old 70's cars, if it started storming out (no A/C, mind you), I'd have to pull over, put the car in park, and then lay across the front seat to get the passenger window rolled up. I'm too short to have done it with my foot on the brake, much less while driving.

Some modern conveniences are SUPER convenient for some of us.

The little old lady scenario with the power locks is a bit much, however. If anyone is that worried about their safety, they should keep all their doors locked all the time (although, have fun being extricated from your car after a crash). I'm indifferent about power locks - they're there now on just about all cars, so I use 'em.

Cheers,
Loonette
How much do you two differ in height? As I said earlier in this post, I've seen people with more than a foot difference in height use the same mirror position. The rearview mirror does get changed, but they don't make those in an "automatic" flavor yet, to my knowledge.

In regards to power windows, when you are on the freeway you get plenty of air with the closest window down. No need to drop the windows down on the other side of the car! During city driving both sides may need to be rolled down, but there are plenty of places to do that at: stop signs, long lights, etc...

Then again, I am just car nerd raging about the increasing weight and complexity of cars to hold the hands of worse and worse drivers.
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#36 Unread post by Loonette »

Skier wrote:
Loonette wrote:
Skier wrote:
Ninja Geoff wrote:Manual mirrors suck because they're a pain in the "O Ring" to get set up right.
If you're adjusting them more than seasonally, something is wrong. Either with the mirrors or you. :wink:
"Scan" and I share our car (that's right - there's a few one-car families still out there in the world). Because of our different body heights, mirror adjustments happen each time the other of us drives the car.
Skier wrote:
Ninja Geoff wrote:Oh, crank windows are a "dog" to open when you're driving. Ecspecially the ones on the other side of the car.
Do you have problems walking and chewing bubble gum? It's honestly not too tough to crank down a window unless it's defective.
Again - not everyone is YOU. When I used to drive my old 70's cars, if it started storming out (no A/C, mind you), I'd have to pull over, put the car in park, and then lay across the front seat to get the passenger window rolled up. I'm too short to have done it with my foot on the brake, much less while driving.

Some modern conveniences are SUPER convenient for some of us.

Cheers,
Loonette
How much do you two differ in height? As I said earlier in this post, I've seen people with more than a foot difference in height use the same mirror position.
About 8". But you have to remember... it's not just the height difference, but the seat is also getting moved more forward for me and further back for him. The mirror placement is affected by that as well. And maybe these people you know of with a greater that 1 foot height difference (can't be that many either - how many people do you know, sharing a vehicle are, say, 5'3" tall and 6'3" tall?) don't really care about adjusting their mirrors. Some people just don't bother because it's a pain in the butt. So they adjust how they look in the side mirrors instead.

I also used to do dealer transfers for Ryder Truck Rental (side mirrors only for backing up), and I always had to readjust the mirrors. The trucks varied from 15-ft. step vans to 24-ft. straight trucks. Don't even know how tall the last person to drive it was, but the mirrors were rarely in a good position for me.
Skier wrote:In regards to power windows, when you are on the freeway you get plenty of air with the closest window down. No need to drop the windows down on the other side of the car! During city driving both sides may need to be rolled down, but there are plenty of places to do that at: stop signs, long lights, etc...
I clearly remember the summer of 88 in Michigan - it was freakin' awful. We had a long stretch of temps around 100 with humidity over 98%. Driving to work in the afternoon, one window open wasn't going to do jack. And then it would start to downpour rain for 15 minutes. Also, this was on I-94 in Detroit with stop-and-go traffic. Highway - yes. Constant movement - no. Time stopped - yes. Safe to put car in park to roll up passenger window - no. I can't believe I'm debating this with you... but not every situation is YOURS.
Skier wrote:Then again, I am just car nerd raging about the increasing weight and complexity of cars to hold the hands of worse and worse drivers.
I'm with you on some of this stuff. The first time we bought a new model car I was shocked by how much the price was - mostly for having features that I would never use. But I won't judge what others feel they need to make their driving experience more safe for the rest of us. I think it's a shame that driving has become so lazy (one reason why I will be teaching my kids to drive - no way am I leaving it up to the school system or anyone else). And there's no doubt that a lot of features are excessive and mainly for those who can afford to buy social status. But you don't have to buy those high-end cars, and there are still some choices out there with fewer frivolous features (although the gap is closing in - just like in many other aspects of life).

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#37 Unread post by Skier »

I will concede the side mirrors issue. I have yet to come across it, but these are all going through Sev's signature style of thinking.

However, I will continue with everything else. I firmly believe adding all the weight and complexity to vehicles is a bad thing. It drives up vehicle purchase and repair price as well as hurts gas mileage. It is a fact a lighter car will get better gas mileage than the same vehicle with several hundred pounds of extras stuffed in it.

There's a myriad of good things that will happen if gasoline consumption globally decreases and it irks me to see so many people and companies happily going the other direction.

Well, my ranting is done. The weather is great, it's time to go burn some fuel in my low creature-comfort car. :)
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