Well, I got a ticket.

[Sicko]

Wow, this "must have fully licensed rider with you" when you have your permit is nuts.

First of all, what in the world is that rider going to do to ensure your safety? You do something stupid there isn't anything he can do to help you.

Second, what about people that literally know no bikers? They're just forbidden from getting into biking at all? The only other biker I know around here also has his permit. I'd have to move back by my parents and ride with my Dad or something.

Thankfully they don't have that restriction in WV. Just no passengers, no riding at night. No freeway restriction either.

I agree. It's a profanely stupid law that shows just how out of touch with reality some law makers are. Oh, and shame on the people for going along with crap like this.

[blues2cruise]

Wow, this "must have fully licensed rider with you" when you have your permit is nuts.

First of all, what in the world is that rider going to do to ensure your safety? You do something stupid there isn't anything he can do to help you.

Second, what about people that literally know no bikers? They're just forbidden from getting into biking at all? The only other biker I know around here also has his permit. I'd have to move back by my parents and ride with my Dad or something.

Thankfully they don't have that restriction in WV. Just no passengers, no riding at night. No freeway restriction either.

I agree. It's a profanely stupid law that shows just how out of touch with reality some law makers are. Oh, and shame on the people for going along with "crumb" like this.

If a person takes the course, the problem of having a licensed rider is solved....because the instructors ride with you. Pass the skills test, you can ride alone.

And if they can't afford it, then they need to be patient and save up for it.

[Sicko]

Wow, this "must have fully licensed rider with you" when you have your permit is nuts.

First of all, what in the world is that rider going to do to ensure your safety? You do something stupid there isn't anything he can do to help you.

Second, what about people that literally know no bikers? They're just forbidden from getting into biking at all? The only other biker I know around here also has his permit. I'd have to move back by my parents and ride with my Dad or something.

Thankfully they don't have that restriction in WV. Just no passengers, no riding at night. No freeway restriction either.

I agree. It's a profanely stupid law that shows just how out of touch with reality some law makers are. Oh, and shame on the people for going along with "crumb" like this.

If a person takes the course, the problem of having a licensed rider is solved....because the instructors ride with you. Pass the skills test, you can ride alone.

And if they can't afford it, then they need to be patient and save up for it.

As I understand it, you cannot ride alone period without a motorcycle endorsement. Now if the instructor is willing to ride with him any time he wants to ride up until he gets his license, then I agree. But this ain't gonna happen. The instructor will most likely only ride with him during the course only.

[ofblong]

Wow, this "must have fully licensed rider with you" when you have your permit is nuts.

First of all, what in the world is that rider going to do to ensure your safety? You do something stupid there isn't anything he can do to help you.

Second, what about people that literally know no bikers? They're just forbidden from getting into biking at all? The only other biker I know around here also has his permit. I'd have to move back by my parents and ride with my Dad or something.

Thankfully they don't have that restriction in WV. Just no passengers, no riding at night. No freeway restriction either.

I agree. It's a profanely stupid law that shows just how out of touch with reality some law makers are. Oh, and shame on the people for going along with "crumb" like this.

If a person takes the course, the problem of having a licensed rider is solved....because the instructors ride with you. Pass the skills test, you can ride alone.

And if they can't afford it, then they need to be patient and save up for it.

thats assuming you dont ride till you go get your liscence afterwards. In michigan you can take the MSF course but you still need a liscenced rider with you IF you have your permit. Me I just took the course and then drove to the SOS to get my full liscence.

[blues2cruise]

Wow, this "must have fully licensed rider with you" when you have your permit is nuts.

First of all, what in the world is that rider going to do to ensure your safety? You do something stupid there isn't anything he can do to help you.

Second, what about people that literally know no bikers? They're just forbidden from getting into biking at all? The only other biker I know around here also has his permit. I'd have to move back by my parents and ride with my Dad or something.

Thankfully they don't have that restriction in WV. Just no passengers, no riding at night. No freeway restriction either.

I agree. It's a profanely stupid law that shows just how out of touch with reality some law makers are. Oh, and shame on the people for going along with "crumb" like this.

If a person takes the course, the problem of having a licensed rider is solved....because the instructors ride with you. Pass the skills test, you can ride alone.

And if they can't afford it, then they need to be patient and save up for it.

As I understand it, you cannot ride alone period without a motorcycle endorsement. Now if the instructor is willing to ride with him any time he wants to ride up until he gets his license, then I agree. But this ain't gonna happen. The instructor will most likely only ride with him during the course only.

I will explain...

When you take a course here in Canada, it is somewhat different than the MSF in the US. Here the course includes 10 hours of theory, 10 hours in the parking lot.....then a skills test....which must be passed before going on the road....The skills test is usually done in the m/c school parking lot.....then 10 hours on the road. In the course, everyone is supervised. When it comes to the actual road test, a student usually uses the school bike, but because of having passed the skills test previously can ride to the DMV alone.

It's also a lot more expensive to take the course here because it is not a subsidized program. You can expect to pay $800. - $1000. for the course.

Now....if you don't take a course, you will need to be supervised by a licenced rider until you pass the skills test. Which means you need a rider along with you just to get to DMV.
The rider must pass that skills test before being allowed to ride alone.

[jonnythan]

$800 - $1000 is insane for that amount of training.

MSF isn't subsidized in New York and the class is $275 per person for a full 2 days.

I can get 20 hours of advanced SCUBA diving training by an instructor with far more experience and training than any MSF coach for $300 - and that's when the 12-person class picks up the hotel and airfare bill for the traveling instructor.

[Flting Duck]

A quarter mile from you? wow, where do you live? That actually seems dangerous to me for a new rider whose tendency will be to wonder where his "spotter" is to keep looking around for him|her, or to try and take instruction fom him/her. But I could be wrong ... I often am, lol

I suspect that the law is written that way in the event that the riders(learner and licnensed riding buddy) get temporarily separated(traffic, someone misses a turn, etc....)

[Falkenheld]

I will explain...

When you take a course here in Canada, it is somewhat different than the MSF in the US. Here the course includes 10 hours of theory, 10 hours in the parking lot.....then a skills test....which must be passed before going on the road....The skills test is usually done in the m/c school parking lot.....then 10 hours on the road. In the course, everyone is supervised. When it comes to the actual road test, a student usually uses the school bike, but because of having passed the skills test previously can ride to the DMV alone.

It's also a lot more expensive to take the course here because it is not a subsidized program. You can expect to pay $800. - $1000. for the course.

Now....if you don't take a course, you will need to be supervised by a licenced rider until you pass the skills test. Which means you need a rider along with you just to get to DMV.
The rider must pass that skills test before being allowed to ride alone.

Wow, my course was an hour and a half of theory then a full weekend of learning on a large parking lot, ending with a test that earned you an M2.

Cost me like $380.

[blues2cruise]

I will explain...

When you take a course here in Canada, it is somewhat different than the MSF in the US. Here the course includes 10 hours of theory, 10 hours in the parking lot.....then a skills test....which must be passed before going on the road....The skills test is usually done in the m/c school parking lot.....then 10 hours on the road. In the course, everyone is supervised. When it comes to the actual road test, a student usually uses the school bike, but because of having passed the skills test previously can ride to the DMV alone.

It's also a lot more expensive to take the course here because it is not a subsidized program. You can expect to pay $800. - $1000. for the course.



Now....if you don't take a course, you will need to be supervised by a licenced rider until you pass the skills test. Which means you need a rider along with you just to get to DMV.
The rider must pass that skills test before being allowed to ride alone.

Wow, my course was an hour and a half of theory then a full weekend of learning on a large parking lot, ending with a test that earned you an M2.

Cost me like $380.

ICBC makes the rules as to program content. The schools all provide the bike,a helmet, gloves if you need them and the use of their bike for the road test. Maximum 5 students per instructor. I guess it varies from province to province and state to state.

For a person who has no prior experience with motorcycles, the 30 hours and the $$ is worth it.

[intotherain]

I will explain...

When you take a course here in Canada, it is somewhat different than the MSF in the US. Here the course includes 10 hours of theory, 10 hours in the parking lot.....then a skills test....which must be passed before going on the road....The skills test is usually done in the m/c school parking lot.....then 10 hours on the road. In the course, everyone is supervised. When it comes to the actual road test, a student usually uses the school bike, but because of having passed the skills test previously can ride to the DMV alone.

It's also a lot more expensive to take the course here because it is not a subsidized program. You can expect to pay $800. - $1000. for the course.



Now....if you don't take a course, you will need to be supervised by a licenced rider until you pass the skills test. Which means you need a rider along with you just to get to DMV.
The rider must pass that skills test before being allowed to ride alone.

Wow, my course was an hour and a half of theory then a full weekend of learning on a large parking lot, ending with a test that earned you an M2.

Cost me like $380.

ICBC makes the rules as to program content. The schools all provide the bike,a helmet, gloves if you need them and the use of their bike for the road test. Maximum 5 students per instructor. I guess it varies from province to province and state to state.

For a person who has no prior experience with motorcycles, the 30 hours and the $$ is worth it.

30 hours? it was 8 for me in cali.