I don't need no stinking helmet!

[JC Viper]

Riding a motorcycle is a privilege, not a right. If your religion does not allow safety gear, buy a car.

What if my religion opposes airbags and seatbelts

Taken from a Simpson's episode where Homer asks Ned if he has Airbags and Ned says that the church opposes them for some reason.

[Patrick]

Riding a motorcycle is a privilege, not a right. If your religion does not allow safety gear, buy a car.

I always wear my helmet so I am not getting in on that, but I disagree with you very much on the Riding is a privilege. I know we have all been brain washed to think anything we do is a privilege that some big goverment agency has to give us permission to do it and we must be thankful and take more crap then what it is worth. Well I say bunk, I wish someone could have said that in the days when we all rode horses. Some rode mules, some horses, and some who knows what, transpertation to and from a destination is a right, but the do gooding ediots who want to control everything do not want you to think about it.

Off my rant.

Patrick

[Flting Duck]

As long as these people (anyone who wishes to ignore the safety of a properly designated motorcycle helmet) are willing to sign a waiver absolving all private and public insurance companies and all private and public medical programs of any social or financial responsibility toward them... then I'm fine with the idea.

Otherwise this person should make a choice between his religion and his chosen recreation.

So, are you going to sign a similar waiver since you choose to ride instead of driving a car? Because you're putting yourself at a mich higher risk (with risk of costs similarly borne by society) by choosing to ride a motorcycle.

Your argument is completely hollow.

[ofblong]

Riding a motorcycle is a privilege, not a right. If your religion does not allow safety gear, buy a car.

I always wear my helmet so I am not getting in on that, but I disagree with you very much on the Riding is a privilege. I know we have all been brain washed to think anything we do is a privilege that some big goverment agency has to give us permission to do it and we must be thankful and take more "crumb" then what it is worth. Well I say bunk, I wish someone could have said that in the days when we all rode horses. Some rode mules, some horses, and some who knows what, transpertation to and from a destination is a right, but the do gooding ediots who want to control everything do not want you to think about it.

Off my rant.

Patrick

I tend to agree. the only time it becomes a priveledge is when your chilren are still living under your roof.

Riding a motorcycle is a privilege, not a right. If your religion does not allow safety gear, buy a car.

What if my religion opposes airbags and seatbelts

Taken from a Simpson's episode where Homer asks Ned if he has Airbags and Ned says that the church opposes them for some reason.

If the vehicle you buy didnt origionaly have those things you dont need to include them . For example if you buy a 1953 f-100 you dont need seat belts or airbags put in it because they were not origional to the vehicle . Its one of those grandfather clauses.

[Kal]

Nobody gets into most chain pubs in South East London with a ball cap on. The CCTV won't get yer mug after you glass some div fer takin a shine on yer bird.

Understand?

Of course I understand you, I will translate for the Americans;

"The cameras need a clear picture of your face in case you strike an idiot in the face with your beverages glass container for attempting to liberate your female companion of the evening."

A lot of pubs outside London too. Although my favorite dress rules are Rock Citys no "smart casual" on a Saturday night.

Me and my partner in crime dragged a stag party of our friends in there a few years ago. As the best man came in one of the bouncers told him they wouldn't have been given entry if they weren't with us.

Membership has it privileges...

FastEddy... Are you on BCF as well???

Holey moley....what was the reasoning behind not allowing someone to wear their helmet into pay for your gas?
The only time I have ever been asked to remove my helmet was at the border crossing.

What a dumb rule where you are. Do you have some sort of motorcycle lobby group over there who could help with getting that law revoked?

Get it over here too, some petrol stations won't deal with you unless you remove your helmet. It's a known issue and a lot of riders won't use those stations unless they have to.

So, are you going to sign a similar waiver since you choose to ride instead of driving a car? Because you're putting yourself at a mich higher risk (with risk of costs similarly borne by society) by choosing to ride a motorcycle.

Funny you should mention that. Our beloved politicians over here have been making noises about having bikers pay more insurance for medical expenses.

When it impacts on other people pretty much EVERYTHING is a privilege, not a right. I have a right not to be run down by incompetent drivers - those drivers have to earn the privilege of proving they aren't very likely to kill/maim me.

Yes you have a right to travel, on foot. It's the trade off for living in an organised society where what is acceptable is defined by concensus.

[Mustang]

okay..go back and forth on this one...

The law is leaping into such a grey area by disallowing wearing a helmet because of religion. My thought process. if your religon won't allow you to do something because of the law (in a country you voluntarily moved too) then dont do that actvity. The amish shun technology so they dont use it. They dont try to bend the law around their own religion.

The true test of this case. What exceptions will the Sikh religion (or any that are trying to change the law) make for me if I want to live in a Sikh controlled country. Can I drink walking down the street? Can my girl wear her miniskirt, smoking, swearing while walking in front of me? (BTW she does this all the time...its why I love her )

I know there were similar cases in England in the 80's...what happened to those...Maybe the english forum users can enlighten us....

[Nibblet99]

I know there were similar cases in England in the 80's...what happened to those...Maybe the english forum users can enlighten us....

We adapt our nation to fit around people migrating to this country, rather than expecting them to adapt to our culture, laws, and traditions when they apply for residency.

This country is borked, because of it.


I keep looking at migrating somewhere like Canada, if I do, I would be attempting to adapt as best I can. Trying traditions, even so far as prehaps learning to hunt (something I have never had much interest in so far). To be honest I feel it would be an insult to the native population, for me to not try to adapt to them, rather than the other way around.

[Kal]

What exceptions will the Sikh religion (or any that are trying to change the law) make for me if I want to live in a Sikh controlled country. Can I drink walking down the street? Can my girl wear her miniskirt, smoking, swearing while walking in front of me?

Actually Sikh's are generally pretty cool - kind of like Klingon Hindu...

[Mustang]

What exceptions will the Sikh religion (or any that are trying to change the law) make for me if I want to live in a Sikh controlled country. Can I drink walking down the street? Can my girl wear her miniskirt, smoking, swearing while walking in front of me?

Actually Sikh's are generally pretty cool - kind of like Klingon Hindu...

Absolutely. My doctor is Sikh, great dr and even better guy. My point was more the religon rather than those practicing it.

Religions who ask for exceptions in a pre-existing society should be willing to offer equal freedoms and exceptions in their own cultures, and unfortunately its usually not the case

Bottom line is this gentleman will most likely get the exception, and from what I understand others who would like the same exemption have to apply individually.

[Fast Eddy B]

FastEddy... Are you on BCF as well???

Bike Chat Forums?

Nope. Suggest it?