kind of confused

[CYNWAGON]

The class will be the best investment you ever make. I took mine in July and it gave me the confidence I needed.
Countersteering wasn't even discussed until we were out on the bikes ready to try it.

Enjoy your course!

[Nibblet99]

You're right, roncg, Capt Crash's video is great! It put to rest some confusion I had about the whole CS thing.

Then, as a related clip, youtube listed the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghIBkg2s ... re=related

I would like to hear the comments of people who do the twisties as to how this rider is taking these turns. I'm horrified, but I am both new and a much more conservative rider. It seems to me that this guy is taking a whole lot of chances with blind curves, completely ignoring the "outside-inside-outside" concept. I'm currently focusing on that a lot in my riding, albeit on more simple turns. Is it me, or is this rider taking most of these turns way too fast for his skill level, or for his bike's cornering abilities? Or is that just how y'll take the twisties? 'Cuz then I know that'll never be for me.

That looks fun..... ok probably not the answer you were looking for

I think, watching that vid, that the corners aren't as blind as they appear to be. Admittedly I only watched the first couple of minutes, but when the turns are blind, (s)he stays on his side of the road. When they're more visible, theres nothing wrong with using all the space for a smoother ride, in my opinion.

Its hard to judge in a video like that, but I think they've probably got a little more lean angle they can use, and there is some scope to move around on the road for the blind turns in the manner they're taking them.

[sv-wolf]

I wasn't too impressed with the road positioning most of the time either. the rider mostly seemed to be taking racing lines to maximise his speed through the corner rather than taking lines that maximise his visibility.

im referring to the fact he is using all the road (public roads) on blind turns, that will see you dead.

Thanks, guys! That's what I was concerned about.

Me too, MZ33!

A rider with sufficient skill and judgement can cross the line coming up to a blind corner if s/he still has good vision and time to move over should something suddenly come from the opposite direction.

Riding wide as you come up to a corner gives you better sight lines and more information. That's always a good thing.

It can also help with a late turn-in which will reduce the chances of your running wide as you come out. But this is a lot trickier. Barrelling wide into a corner in the expectation of a late turn in can be disastrous because you may need to adjust your lines if you see something coming. It's a matter of moment-by-moment judgement.

Going through a corner or coming out of one on the wrong side of the road is a different matter. If something had been coming in the opposite direction a couple of this times... Slam!

The guy in the video is tossing coins riding like this.

If you don't feel confident, though, the advice would always be, stay on your side and at a speed where you know you can get round - on the right side of the road.

[MZ33]

If you don't feel confident, though, the advice would always be, stay on your side and at a speed where you know you can get round - on the right side of the road.

I like that philosophy!

[Nalian]

There used to be someone on here who did a video blog and did a good demonstration of counter steering on his VFR. It shows plainly what sometimes is difficult to explain.

I just don't remember his name. I might try to dig that up.

As requested:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYour ... teeri.aspx

[motokid]

There used to be someone on here who did a video blog and did a good demonstration of counter steering on his VFR. It shows plainly what sometimes is difficult to explain.

I just don't remember his name. I might try to dig that up.

As requested:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYour ... teeri.aspx

Whoever recorded this thing shows so poor judgment in his riding, that I don't think I would like to acquire any part of hiss skills or experience.

K

[sv-wolf]

I don't have any problems with his judgement, or with his demonstration but I do have a problem with his terminology. Talking about turning the bars in countersteering can be very misleading

For example, we had a young poster on here about eighteen months ago who was under the impression that to countersteer into a left-hand bend he had to turn the wheel and the bars to the right. He'd crashed the bike a couple of times trying to do this. Needless to say, this isn't correct - or even very comfortable. And it wasn't the first time I'd heard this story.

The only time that the bars (and the wheel) turn in the opposite direction to the way you want to go is very, very briefly as you begin to countersteer into the corner.

You can just see this in the vid. As the rider applies pressure to the left-hand bar the wheel begins to move to the right - but that causes the bike to lean to the left. And the moment the bike begins to lean to the left, the steering geometry of the bike forcibly pulls the wheel back round to the left, till it is facing into the left-hand turn - which is exactly where it needs to be. At that point, the left-hand bar is resisting the pressure you are putting on it with your left hand. Its that tension, or resistence that creates the countersteering.

If you need to tighten the turn you then you push a little harder, the bike leans further, the wheel turns more, and the bar pushes back more. (You get the same effect, of course by pulling on the opposite bar.)

Best advice for a newbie though is to forget all this. You will know how to handle the bike instictively - just don't get the idea that you have to turn (i.e. steer) the bike in the opposite direction.

[RhadamYgg]

There used to be someone on here who did a video blog and did a good demonstration of counter steering on his VFR. It shows plainly what sometimes is difficult to explain.

I just don't remember his name. I might try to dig that up.

As requested:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYour ... teeri.aspx

Whoever recorded this thing shows so poor judgment in his riding, that I don't think I would like to acquire any part of hiss skills or experience.

K

I actually kind of liked this video - I ran in to it on youtube a long time ago. He is kind of daft - going that fast on those roads, but he's likeable enough. And he does know he's being an idiot talking about 'how could they leave horse poop out here where someone doing 40 mph over the speed limit could get killed'.

RhadamYgg

[shane-o]

There used to be someone on here who did a video blog and did a good demonstration of counter steering on his VFR. It shows plainly what sometimes is difficult to explain.

I just don't remember his name. I might try to dig that up.

As requested:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYour ... teeri.aspx

Whoever recorded this thing shows so poor judgment in his riding, that I don't think I would like to acquire any part of hiss skills or experience.

K

I actually kind of liked this video - I ran in to it on youtube a long time ago. He is kind of daft - going that fast on those roads, but he's likeable enough. And he does know he's being an idiot talking about 'how could they leave horse poop out here where someone doing 40 mph over the speed limit could get killed'.

RhadamYgg

I didnt see anything on that mpeg that was note worthy.


Im going to assume he knew that bit of road like the veins in his co.ck. To ride that quick on potential snow/ice covered roads that is tree lined about 2ft from the edge is a bit of worry

oh, and I learnt nuttin bout kounta seerin.






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[Shorts]

Uhh rough video of that cruiser taking corners The road looks great - the riding is crappy

Pretty poor form, no anticipation and leaves no room for error. That's one thing I have learned to allow myself riding in the mountains, take as much cushion as the environment allows - you'll need it at some point.


Overall, I prefer the delayed apex technique, both in long rolling corners and mountain switchbacks. Unfortunately, the technique can't save me on any corner where stupid morons in cars straddle center line. I've had more than few really close calls that I'm surprised I made it out of More than once I've fantasized about pounding a driver's face with a leather fist. Then finishing it off with a teeth shattering head but with a helmet.

Re: RideYourRide - he does good vids. No problem with his demos.