So who will it be for everyone this time?

[poet]

... Everyone should at least vote responsibly to their convictions and preferences. Do your homework on the issues, don't be swayed by hype, but don't be afraid to get excited for the candidates for real reasons that affect you. ...

A great resource for that is http://www.opencongress.org/
They have Bills before congress - Sen. & Rep. voting records and current stances.

[matthew5656]

as well as someone who wants to raise tax's for the "upper" part of society which means business's will be less likely to hire more people because they have to pay more tax's. raise tax's on the rich = high prices on consumables for the rest of us.

I am not saying McCain is a good choice either but when you have to chose the lesser of the evils....

So why is there near 20,000 fewer jobs available and the majority of Americans are earning about $10,000 less in annual income after Bush's time in office, opposed to democrat Bill Clinton's time? That is an interesting concept of higher priced consumables, but endless tax breaks for the wealthy and large corporations does not exactly look as if it's benefiting the majority people lately. I accept rising costs of fuel and food, because it's obvious to me that such will only get heftier in price as time goes on, but such companies shouldn't be granted humongous tax breaks from the government even after reporting national record profits. This country has dug itself into a very, very deep hole the last eight years, and the republicans are certainly not solely to blame.

But this election reminds me of 2004 when everyone said John Kerry could not stand up to this war nor was he valid enough to take office. So Bush won again. Another four years of the rich getting richer, and the poorer becoming poorer. Another four years of an endless loss of human rights supposedly guaranteed by our constitution.

I'm not an economist or political engineer, but nor or any of you. But I can see that something is extremely broken in Washington, and I'd like a fresh beginning. John McCain wants more of the same. And John McCain wants to attack Iran, much like we attacked Iraq.

[ofblong]

as well as someone who wants to raise tax's for the "upper" part of society which means business's will be less likely to hire more people because they have to pay more tax's. raise tax's on the rich = high prices on consumables for the rest of us.

I am not saying McCain is a good choice either but when you have to chose the lesser of the evils....

So why is there near 20,000 fewer jobs available and the majority of Americans are earning about $10,000 less in annual income after Bush's time in office, opposed to democrat Bill Clinton's time? That is an interesting concept of higher priced consumables, but endless tax breaks for the wealthy and large corporations does not exactly look as if it's benefiting the majority people lately. I accept rising costs of fuel and food, because it's obvious to me that such will only get heftier in price as time goes on, but such companies shouldn't be granted humongous tax breaks from the government even after reporting national record profits. This country has dug itself into a very, very deep hole the last eight years, and the republicans are certainly not solely to blame.

But this election reminds me of 2004 when everyone said John Kerry could not stand up to this war nor was he valid enough to take office. So Bush won again. Another four years of the rich getting richer, and the poorer becoming poorer. Another four years of an endless loss of human rights supposedly guaranteed by our constitution.

I'm not an economist or political engineer, but nor or any of you. But I can see that something is extremely broken in Washington, and I'd like a fresh beginning. John McCain wants more of the same. And John McCain wants to attack Iran, much like we attacked Iraq.

funny I have gone up $30,000/yr since bush took office.

[matthew5656]

and it's all about you, right?

[ofblong]

and it's all about you, right?

exactly

but that amount is just for the last 4 years. If you include when he took over 8 years ago its only about $45,000. So its not that people are losing 10grand/year its they arent looking/applying themselves towards or for the right jobs.

[dean owens]

funny, cause if someone would have posted that they had taken a cut in pay you would have said "exactly". btw, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer... all you have to do is look at the study that the IRS recently released that spans the last 10 years and it shows that there are less poor people than there were 10 years ago and there are more reach people. if there are more rich people then that means that some poor people got rich.

also, we do have unemployment. but our unemployment rate is less than it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. and it is less than any european country. the fact of the matter is our economy really isn't that bad. and we have yet to have a recession.

also, about record profits. you really need to stop listening to the main stream class warfare lies. what you have to look at with any business is the profit margins. a decent profit margin is 7-10%. the oil companies "record" profits were 7%. that same time frame gave a 50% profit margin for google. and last time i checked the point of a business is to make money. and the more money the oil co. make, the better retirements teachers, firefighters, policemen, and your average person who has their retirements wrapped up in those companies will have.

the worst thing you can do to a company is tax them. that is less money they have to pay employees and put into the development of new jobs. tax them more and that's less jobs. btw, companies don't pay taxes out of the goodness of their hearts. they pass those expenses onto employees (by paying them less or firing them) and those who by the product. if you want to blame anyone for the high cost of products you should blame the government. they make more off a gallon of gas then the companies that make it.

[ofblong]

funny, cause if someone would have posted that they had taken a cut in pay you would have said "exactly". btw, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer... all you have to do is look at the study that the IRS recently released that spans the last 10 years and it shows that there are less poor people than there were 10 years ago and there are more reach people. if there are more rich people then that means that some poor people got rich.

also, we do have unemployment. but our unemployment rate is less than it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. and it is less than any european country. the fact of the matter is our economy really isn't that bad. and we have yet to have a recession.

also, about record profits. you really need to stop listening to the main stream class warfare lies. what you have to look at with any business is the profit margins. a decent profit margin is 7-10%. the oil companies "record" profits were 7%. that same time frame gave a 50% profit margin for google. and last time i checked the point of a business is to make money. and the more money the oil co. make, the better retirements teachers, firefighters, policemen, and your average person who has their retirements wrapped up in those companies will have.

the worst thing you can do to a company is tax them. that is less money they have to pay employees and put into the development of new jobs. tax them more and that's less jobs. btw, companies don't pay taxes out of the goodness of their hearts. they pass those expenses onto employees (by paying them less or firing them) and those who by the product. if you want to blame anyone for the high cost of products you should blame the government. they make more off a gallon of gas then the companies that make it.

heck gas stations only make like 2cents/gallon on that gas. The government takes something around $1.20/gallon in tax's where I live. Might only be 90 cents but still.

[Shorts]

But I can see that something is extremely broken in Washington, and I'd like a fresh beginning. John McCain wants more of the same. And John McCain wants to attack Iran, much like we attacked Iraq.

Uhhmm, have you seen any of the RNC this week?


Still sounds like you're hanging on to media catch phrases. Substance man!


BO is on the same page as McCain about Iran, he doesn't think they're safe if they continue to to seek nuclear weapons for their use or for sale to active terrorist. Both have stated war is an option, but it is the last option. In McCain speech which I'll assume you didn't completely listen to, here's an exerp:

"I will draw on all my experience with the world and its leaders, and all the tools at our disposal - diplomatic, economic, military and the power of our ideals - to build the foundations for a stable and enduring peace."

Be sure to watch BO on Orielly this coming week. He already showed part 1. He did ask BO about Iran and he said:

“It is unacceptable for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon, it would be a game changer,” Obama said. “It’s sufficient to say I would not take military action off the table and that I will never hesitate to use our military force in order to protect the homeland and the United States’ interests.”

[sv-wolf]

I thought the you folks had the ability to "Write-in" a candidate??? Why not exercise your vote that way?

WHy do that? it would be like 1 vote for a person and it wont win.

Yup.

It is better to vote against someone than for someone. By voting for a write in candidate, it takes away a vote for the lesser of your two evils and increases the chances of winning for the person you don't want to win.

You might as well save yourself the trouble and gas and not vote.

I have to disagree with that, shorts. By voting for "the lesser of two evils" - ie for somebody you don't really support, you are passively accepting the fact that you don't have a real choice and that you do not live under a democratic system, just a limitied oligarchy.

As I see it, the commercial/political elite calls all the shots, decides on the policies, selects the candidates. They decide the limits of political debate and dictate what and how you can think through the education system and the media. Once in a blue moon they ask you to vote between parties whose fundamental aims are identical and who differ only slightly in the supposed means of achieving them. That's a significant choice?

The only way I know how to register my disgust is to put a large cross on my ballot sheet with the words "No thank you" written underneath it. I've been doing that for 30 years. Voting for this candidate or that would merely be to collude with opinions I hold repugnant and help perpetuate an undemocratic system.

At least, doing it my way, I have the small satisfaction of knowing that I expressed my opinion of the lot of them - exploiters and murderers, all.

[ofblong]

ahh but you dont seem to see the truth wolf. By not voting you risk allowing the worse of the 2 evils in. By saying the lesser of 2 evils we are saying we dont have a choice because we dont. If we dont chose the lesser then the greater of the evils might get in and make things worse. For the last 3 elections we have had no choice but to vote for the lesser of the evils. By putting your x you are in essance wasting your time by even going to the polls.