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I think that the riding position found on an MXer or Supermoto bike is best for overall bike control. If a full crouch tuck was better, you would see bikes with that set-up and longer suspension on the grids of Supermoto races. JMO....

Once the speeds get up over a ton, then the typical super sport position makes sense. But that is more a factor of aerodynamics than anything else. Out on the street, a minimally faired standard is pretty sweet.

Try to outrun a SuperDuke, Hypermoto or even a fast dualsport on any road where you can't break 100MPH with a super sport..... even if you can out run him on the straights, he'll reel you back in the corners.

YMMV.....

BuzZz wrote: Try to outrun a SuperDuke, Hypermoto or even a fast dualsport on any road where you can't break 100MPH with a super sport..... even if you can out run him on the straights, he'll reel you back in the corners.

YMMV.....

Even on an RC??? or another Super Sport twin? .....................hope can we still be friends BuzZz?? LOL

BuzZz wrote:

I think that the riding position found on an MXer or Supermoto bike is best for overall bike control. If a full crouch tuck was better, you would see bikes with that set-up and longer suspension on the grids of Supermoto races. JMO....

The requirements of those bike (especially the MX) is vastly different from the requirement of a streetbike. You are going to be off the seat and on standing on the pegs the vast amount of time on a MX. The supermoto also sees conditions that the average street rider will never see.

BuzZz wrote:
Try to outrun a SuperDuke, Hypermoto or even a fast dualsport on any road where you can't break 100MPH with a super sport..... even if you can out run him on the straights, he'll reel you back in the corners.

I would be just about even on those type of roads with my Hypermotard 1100 or my CBR600RR. The CBR will be quicker in and through the turn but the Hypermotard will have the edge getting out of it because of its vastly superior torque and HP at that rpm in 2nd gear. Give me a CBR1000RR and there is no question that I will destroy any motard (with a rider of similar abilty) on those roads.

I cannot speak for all Racer Replicas and all Super Motards but between my two examples, the CBR is so much easier to ride fast and takes far less skill. The Hyper can be ridden as quick as the CBR but it takes far more concentration and finesse. Minor errors or slight shift in the eyes will be magnifed on the Hyper while the CBR will not. The CBR is so confidence inspiring as well. The riding position is so perfect for tackling the corners. I feel like I am part of the bike as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I love my Hypermotard and it is super fun to ride; and it is certainly a bike that rewards for good skills but punishes for a mediocre one.

BuzZz wrote:
YMMV.....

Yep. And that's my 2cents.

erbgottie wrote:
Even on an RC??? or another Super Sport twin? .....................hope can we still be friends BuzZz?? LOL

I think we can still manage that.

I am still firm in my belief that a standard-type seating position offers the best control for 'normal' riding, just as I am firm in my belief that not everyone will agree. I can live with that easily enough.

Even as I ride my GSX-R.....

BuzZz wrote:
I am still firm in my belief that a standard-type seating position offers the best control for 'normal' riding

Buzzz, since when do you do normal riding?

Triple the speed limit on the super slab does not constitute normal riding.

Triple digits on the superslab? Too risky for me. I avoid superslabs as often as I can.

I only hit 3-d on lonely, deserted 2 lane backroads. At night. Preferably in the rain.

well, not always....

so i got really lucky and got scheduled for the Safety Course for next Wednesday Saturday and Sunday. so ill be getting my endorcement! things are rolling my way smooothly !

GS500, SV650, Ninja 250/500/650, ER6-N (now available in the US:D) are all good choices to learn on and a lot faster than you think they are, they are also cheaper to buy and cheaper to insure than a 600 super sport, and typically cheaper to fix if you happen to drop it (statistically your first bike will probably kiss the pavement at least once, hopefully at a stop or low speed)

remember its for first bike, not your last bike.

If you are a newbie buy a 250 first learn the ropes first. The 600 can and will hurt you. Bigger is not always better. get used to a smaller one sell and move up. Thats my reco.

lcurtis19 wrote:im about to pcs over to turkey for 15 months then europe for 2 years so all my riding will be overseas..

Dude (sorry for assuming that), you're gonna be able to buy all sorts of awesome bikes over there! There are loads of gorgeous, smaller, easier-to-manage bikes available on that continent. Like this one . . .



Even if you might not want to go as small as a 125cc Cagiva Raptor, it just shows how europeans are great at making desirable small bikes.