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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:25 pm
by dr_bar
A really fine argument for graduated licensing.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:36 pm
by Skier
VermilionX wrote:
i just see the DMV test as more of an exhibition rather than a test of being able to ride safely.
I've always seen it as a test to see if a rider posesses the skillset to handle a motorcycle on public roads up to about 25 MPH. Every rider I've personally met that complained about the test was a sub-par rider at all speeds.
Acquiring the skills and proper techniques for passing the DMV test provides a solid foundation for controlling your motorcycle at all speeds. Simple as that.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:36 pm
by VermilionX
Sevulturus wrote:
LMAO
And you don't need to balance a bike at high speed. Wait... you do. And you don't need to lean at high speed. Wait... you do! But It's WAY EASIER TO DO! The intertia makes the bike easier to control.
As far as counter steering, once you're told how it works and try it once you've got it. As you've so eloquently shown it's not nearly as easy to pick up the slow speed skills.
So if you need to work really hard to balance your bike at slow speeds, wouldn't that make you better at it at high speeds? Nooooo, of course not. Based on the questions you've asked you don't know a lot, one would think you'd be willing to learn from those who've ridden more, rather then argue with them.
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im willing to learn so could you say this again w/o the sarcasm? since im confused by it.
im always willing to learn techniques that can make me go faster. so pls explain it to me more how it can help me at fast cornering.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:45 pm
by Sev
If I were to tell you that balancing on a folded over coach cushion with your eyes closed will improve your balance with your eyes closed would you believe me? If I said it would improve your balance while your eyes were open would you believe me?
The idea is the same here, if you can do the hard stuff (slow speed) it makes it easier to to do the fast stuff because you understand your bike better. That's it.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:53 pm
by shane-o
Any num nut can jump on a hypersport and ring the ti.ts off it in a straight line or slow curved road.
the skill is at low and real low speed and high speed railing around twisties
everyone must learn to ride before they can really ride, if ya think ya better than ya are and then put that philosophy into practice ya will end up dead
riding outside ya skill set is what wankers do, knowing your limits and practising to improve your limits is intelligent riding, which usually will eventually produce a good clean fast technician
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:57 pm
by VermilionX
shane-o wrote:
the skill is at low and real low speed and high speed railing around twisties
could you give me tips on high speed railing around the twisties?
those are the skills i wanna practice, and if it involves doing the DMV circle then i'll go to the DMV every weekend to practice it.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:58 pm
by Sev
I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
Sevulturus wrote:You've got a bike that's going to be REALLY tough to do the circles on. It's a lot like mine, so here's the best advice I can give.
First of all, stop trying to force yourself into doing the Turn right now, start with a bigger one and make it. Then go a little smaller and a little smaller and a little smaller. You will gradually learn to trust your bikes ability to hold itself up. You fall because you take the power off the back wheel.
Okay, now that you're practising going around corners what you need to do is look WAY around the corner[/red], keep your chin up and stick your head almost all the way to one side, and keep looking there, the bike will follow your head around, just keep looking left left left left left, or right right right right right right right right all the way around the turn.
Brake early going into the corner Now throttle, and go a little heavier on the gas coming out of the corner[/red]. It'll make a world of distance, now look around the corner, look look look. Keep your chin up.
Where you look is where you go. You got this, I know you do.
There you go, funny how that circle comes back into play. The parts I changed are in red
Now do you see why the slow speed stuff affects the high speed stuff?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:06 pm
by Shiv
sorry, but i just don't get what you mean. the physics of slow speed and high speed turning on a bike is different.
that's what confuses me. since i won't be using the slow speed skills on high speed turns since they different.
They are not talking about high speeds.
You want high speed maneuvaring, they're talking about low speed maneuvaring.
It's a pyramid. The lower skills form the base of your skills. Higher speeds make the top part, and the miscellaneous other know hows make the point to complete it.
You're trying to get to the top without a solid base is what they're saying. And without a solid base, the pyramid will fall.
Every skill builds off the skills below it.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:07 pm
by Sev
I edited my post with basic instructions on how to rail a corner, now go back and look at the instructions for the circle, notice any similarities?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:11 pm
by VermilionX
thanks so it all comes down to head and eyes.
now i get it. eventhough you turn differently and position your body differently. your eyes and head work the same.
i think im ok on head movement so now i just need to practice correct entry speed for now.
thanks again.