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Took Busa for a walk, went to dinner with a friend, then had a lively debate and planning session for an oil-cooled (baby oil is the current plan) computer system.

Wrider wrote:Took Busa for a walk, went to dinner with a friend, then had a lively debate and planning session for an oil-cooled (baby oil is the current plan) computer system.

Don't they already have water cooled processors?

fireguzzi wrote:

Wrider wrote:Took Busa for a walk, went to dinner with a friend, then had a lively debate and planning session for an oil-cooled (baby oil is the current plan) computer system.

Don't they already have water cooled processors?

Yes, they also have oil submersion systems as well, but they don't have the system I'm thinking of. The one I'm mentally building would keep it below ambient temperature even under load. I don't know of ANY cooling system out there that can drop the temps below ambient temperature.

blues2cruise wrote:Depression can be very debilitating. It can cause someone to think irrationally. It can cause someone to have a million thoughts all jumbled in their heads....zooming erratically until you are so overwhelmed you can't think straight...sometimes people ask for help, but get put on waiting lists...sometimes help comes too late....sometimes doctors pooh pooh that you have a problem leaving you nowhere to turn until the only thing you can think of is "which bridge?".....
Do not ever judge someone who has depression...it is a serious illness.....Some people manage on medication, therapy, sometimes long term or short term...and sometimes requires hospitalization....sometimes depression is more than sadness....it can be a chemical imbalance in the brain; it can be bi-polar disorder; perhaps schizophrenia which leads to being out of touch with reality; there are psychotic breaks whereupon the affected person can do self harm and are out of control they have no rational thought or action which cause self destructive behaviour; mental illness comes in many disguises...often undiagnosed and untreated....

Yes, it is very sad that the children will not know their father and that his wife is left alone, but it is wrong to say bad things about him. If he were killed by accident the outcome would be the same....but the harsh words would be directed at the killer...

Instead of judging him, try some compassion. He was probably suffering to the point he did not know what he was doing.

RIP

So where do you draw the line? Depression can lead someone to murder or even serial murders. Are we supposed to feel compassion for a serial murderer because he was suffering from depression? What if he had killed the innocent truck driver? Would you feel different about him then?

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you here. You obviously know more about mental disorders and depression than I do. I am curious to what your opinion is and where you draw the line.

If he was a single guy with no dependents, it would be a totally different story. However, he managed to have not one but four children. Can we just dismiss such horrendous parenting on depression? Not once but four times? Why did he decide to have four kids? Well okay, as you stated, we don't know the situation so let's let that one go. That being said, I personally draw the line when he selfishly decided to risk the life of another motorist.

Hyperr. The line is drawn when a person makes a conscious decision.
Last year for example....a man travelling on a Greyhound Bus suddenly attacked and decapitated another passenger. Someone he did not know....he was arrested, evaluated, found not criminally responsible because he was mentally ill. He is incarcerated in a penal facility for such things. It was an ugly crime and we think he should be in prison...if we had capital punishment in this country some would say he deverves the death penalty. However, just as in the USA...if a person is insane, he is considered not responsible....not criminally anyway.
The person in the original story obviously had some serious problem. Mental illness is very serious. Some people can function, but others need meds. Some people are diagnosed wrong and then the medication is wrong. Some medications can cause suicidal thoughts....as can going off certain meds cold turkey...a person with bi-polar can be very unpredictable if not treated. Schizophrenia is also another illness that needs treatment and sometimes hospitalization. Perhaps the man in tragedy dropped out of reality....in which case he needs emapthy, not vitriol.

Unfortunately mental illness still has a stigma attached to it and some people would rather hide it than admit it. If we had cancer we would tell someone. If we had kidney disease, we would tell someone. Heck, there are people who feel the need to let us know when their bowels back up....but...mental...no way....when mental illness gets the same respect as other illnesses, then more people will seek help and more doctors will get them the help they need.
The world has to stop making mental illness like it is some sort of headache....

blues2cruise wrote:Hyperr. The line is drawn when a person makes a conscious decision.

Would not running into another motorist be a conscious decision? I knew a guy who committed suicide on a motorcycle. He however rode full speed into a stone wall, not another motor vehicle with another human being in it.

Once again I ask, would you view this person differently if the other motorist died?

blues2cruise wrote: Unfortunately mental illness still has a stigma attached to it and some people would rather hide it than admit it. If we had cancer we would tell someone. If we had kidney disease, we would tell someone. Heck, there are people who feel the need to let us know when their bowels back up....but...mental...no way....when mental illness gets the same respect as other illnesses, then more people will seek help and more doctors will get them the help they need.
The world has to stop making mental illness like it is some sort of headache....

This is only part of the problem. The other problem is the incompetence of the doctors who fail to diagnose correctly or prescribe the wrong medications. There are plethora of them. Many people do seek help. The problem is the severe ineptitude of the "professionals" that are supposed to be helping them.

Hey guys, how about you take your depression argument to a split off thread? I'm getting depressed reading argument after argument.

I got my Buell back.

Wrider wrote:Hey guys, how about you take your depression argument to a split off thread? I'm getting depressed reading argument after argument.

You are right. Sorry about that.

That being said, I'm not arguing with her at all. She seems very knowledgeable about this topic and I'm just picking her brain.

Johnj wrote:I got my Buell back.

I take it that you like it better than the Hog.