Motorcycle, Firearms.....

[Shorts]

Nice pick. I'm looking for a .243 in several of the lightweights/compacts have jumped into view. Though I'm needing an 18-20" barrel (shooting on one shoulder is a real pill).

I've been out of the firearms game for 6mths now so I'm not up on events. If you're having trouble finding a gun, check out ofcourse your local dealer and see if he can track one down. Or head to gunbroker.com and browse through there. Chances are, if your shop can't get you one, you can find one and have them take delivery for you.

[RegalSwan]

Yea, Cabela's here in MN didn't have a .270 or 30 06 in stock like i wanted and they stopped making anything but the WSM in left handed featherweights...so hopefully i can find an older .270 left hand in the feather, i just liked the prospect of cheap ammo with the 30-06, and the 270 gave me a flatter trajectory...honestly..i haven't studied up enough on it and just got excited when i found out winchester was pickin up shop. Can't say i can fully understand the one shoulder shooting, but as a left handed shooter dealing with right handed bolts, i can relate to having to find interesting ways to do thing. Although the sniper in Saving Private Ryan makes it look so easy...

[Shorts]

Dad's righthanded, but for shooting, he's a leftie so he has the same battles with his rifles.

As for me, my left arm's paralyzed from an auto accident so, I shoulder rifles with one hand (if on foot) or use a bench/tripod if I'm in a stand. I need a lightweight, shorter-barreled rifle I can shoulder steady and take a shot if I'm on the ground.

I don't know if you've checked these sites out yet, but if not, give them a go. Lots and lots of info and some kowledgeable members there too: www.thefiringline.com and www.thehighroad.org If any manf have closed doors or put out a new gun, these guys would have talked about it.

[NorthernPete]

cause you never know when you might need to kill a person I suppose.....

The point of carrying a gun isnt to shoot and kill. For most people shooting is only in self defense and responsible shooters only shoot when their life is in danger. So, the main reason for using a gun is saving your own "o-ring", sadly your opponents death is a side effect.

I realize that you carry a gun with the hopes of never having to use it, but none the less, a hand gun is really only usefull for shooting at people. Why else have one if your in a city.

Im a hunter, and I own several long guns. So Im not trying to come off as some gun hating liberal. But I do believe that hand guns should be restricted to milliatry and police use. Thats just my opinion, so please dont go jumping down my throat about it. if you carry, good for you, I hope it makes you feel safe and you never have to use it against some jack "O Ring" who wants whats yours.

[macktruckturner]

cause you never know when you might need to kill a person I suppose.....

The point of carrying a gun isnt to shoot and kill. For most people shooting is only in self defense and responsible shooters only shoot when their life is in danger. So, the main reason for using a gun is saving your own "o-ring", sadly your opponents death is a side effect.

I realize that you carry a gun with the hopes of never having to use it, but none the less, a hand gun is really only usefull for shooting at people. Why else have one if your in a city.

Im a hunter, and I own several long guns. So Im not trying to come off as some gun hating liberal. But I do believe that hand guns should be restricted to milliatry and police use. Thats just my opinion, so please dont go jumping down my throat about it. if you carry, good for you, I hope it makes you feel safe and you never have to use it against some jack "O Ring" who wants whats yours.

I too am a hunter, and while I do have a rifle (Winchester 1894, in .30-30 - with no scope, as JMB intended), I greatly prefer hunting with my 1911 in .45 ACP (deer, boar, javelina) or my Browning Buckmark (.22LR - rabbits, squirrels, etc.) Personally, the hunt is more real when I do it with my pistols, as it brings the stalking element back into play. I can shoot the cap off a 2L Coke bottle 200m away with the 1894 (iron sights, 2 ladder steps of elevation remaining for 150gr rounds, 1 remaining for 170gr). That is much more than minute-of-deer's-vital-zone. Now, if I'm harvesting - or clearing an over population, it's the 1894 all the way. 7 rounds, 150gr soft-points - I'll take half the herd down in one standing. For the hunt though, I prefer my pistols - at least until I get a bow.

As far as carrying, I do it regularly and am licensed to do so (TX CHL - though some States grant automatic CCW privs to active duty military, for which I also qualify). I don't tend to pack either of my 1911s when riding - my Kel-Tec P11 is my "always" gun. You will never catch me shooting to injure anything - while I do reload, and thus pay near nothing for ammo - I don't believe in wasting bullets. Should one find the barrel of any of my firearms in alignment with one's person - they should quickly make peace with their God of choice, as they will soon be introduced. Prior to said introduction becoming an absolute neccessity to maintain my living presence on this Earth, or that of someone else in danger - my weapon will remain in a position which threatens no one (very likely holstered, unless I happen to be clearing a room - in which case I sure hope my fireteam happens to be there).

None of this is to be read as me jumping down anyone's throat - just an explaination of my standpoint on the issue at hand.

Ride Safe,
Anthony

[dieziege]

Handgun hunting is an increasingly popular sport.
Target shooting with a handgun is far more "city friendly" than with long arms as it typically requires smaller facilities and handguns are easier to transport discretely.
Target shooting with a handgun is more challenging and therefore more fun.
The number of defensive uses of handguns far exceed the number of people shot with handguns.

Personally, I find the whole shooting people thing that some people obsess on distasteful. Sadly, it isn't just the anti-gun nuts that have that obsession. I used to go into gun stores from time to time and any time I heard the staff make jokes or comments like that ("for two legged wolf hunting") or do stupid things like pretend to shoot each other with the shotguns (observed in one store) I never returned to that store.

[flynrider]

But I do believe that hand guns should be restricted to milliatry and police use. Thats just my opinion, so please dont go jumping down my throat about it. if you carry, good for you, I hope it makes you feel safe and you never have to use it against some jack "O Ring" who wants whats yours.

I keep a handgun for home defense. I don't (yet) feel the need to carry it around everywhere I go, but I certainly wouldn't want it to be outlawed. I live in what's known as the "bad part of town" and think the handgun is a reasonable choice. If a home invasion crew busts down my front door, the handgun is going to be more readily available and useful than my rifle or shotgun.

[macktruckturner]

I have lived by the cardinal rules of firearms safety since I got my first rifle at age 5. If I am pointing my firearm at anything, I am fully prepared to destroy whatever is under my front sight - and aware of what is behind it as well. At no point have I, or will I tolerate the breaking of said rules in my presence. Given the position to correct said actions, I will do so swiftly. Should I not be in any position to correct said actions, I will remove myself from the area immediately.

We're in agreement about stupid comments regarding the taking of life - be it human or otherwise. The root cause of such comments is immaturity, plain and simple. There are however distinct times when, by my training and standards, it must be done. At those times, I will act swiftly and decisively - and I can say that having lived through those times in combat.

[NorthernPete]

OK, you all make some valid points, I guess just not having been raised around hand guns or having had a need for them does make my view point a little one sided. dieziege, that gun store you went into was full of some very ignorat people, who have no regard for gun saftey or the picture of gun owners that they portray. I have allways lived by the first rules that was taught to me about guns, allways treat it as if its loaded and never point it at anything you dont intent to shoot.

[Big B]

. I have allways lived by the first rules that was taught to me about guns, allways treat it as if its loaded and never point it at anything you dont intent to shoot.

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...treat every hunter as if he were loaded..