n00b on K6 750 Part II

[Kal]

yeah, the 1st few sec i wasn't leaning too much since i stopped and the tires are not yet warm enough.

did you watch the whole thing?

like i said, im much faster than before and that means im leaning more.

hanging off the bike might not be useful in the streets but it is useful on canyons and twisties.

You know I was flicking through some track day shots a friend of a friend had taken yesterday. He runs a Gixer-6 on an 05 plate that he quote "rides the wheels off" unquote.

I was thinking off you while I was flicking through the pictures. Especially where he is banging it so fast through the chicane that the bike is cranked over so far he is dragging his knee and almost his elbow. Thing is he is central on the seat because if he leaned off he'd not get the lean angle on the bike.

[VermilionX]

The thing that clicked it for me was the fact that the bike leaned more during your "warm up swervies" then during actual riding.

We're just trying to help you out here, you do want to be a better rider right?

you've just proven to me that you can't see what's really happening.

you noticed the lean on the quick swerves bec they were quick compared to the leaning i do on cornering which happens at a more gradual pace.

and i appreciate the help... but save it until i get a vid w/ a good view of what's going on.

[VermilionX]

You know I was flicking through some track day shots a friend of a friend had taken yesterday. He runs a Gixer-6 on an 05 plate that he quote "rides the wheels off" unquote.

I was thinking off you while I was flicking through the pictures. Especially where he is banging it so fast through the chicane that the bike is cranked over so far he is dragging his knee and almost his elbow. Thing is he is central on the seat because if he leaned off he'd not get the lean angle on the bike.

you can still drag elbows while hanging off... here's my idol ben spies.





you can even hang off w/o leaning too much, it can still help... here's ben spies again.

[earwig]

Verm... try to understand this... you should only be leaning off the bike when you are almost at the bike's leaning limit. Hanging off the bike isn't going to let you turn tighter with less lean until you are almost at the bike's limit. You sould be able to almost scrape your bike's pegs and get comfortable with that type of lean before you try to hang off so you lean less... Leaning off on every single turn like that just shows you are just trying to look cool and stretch your knee out as far as you can without understanding why people do this at the tracks. If your excuse was correct, you would be taught in the MSF to lean off the bike on every single turn... because why should you lean at all when you can just hang off the bike?

[kabob983]

A few things to consider though:

-You don't think like Spies
-You don't weigh the same as Spies
-God didn't physically put you together exactly the same way he put Ben Spies together
-You don't ride the same bike as Spies
-You don't have the experience of Spies
-You don't have the crew like Spies
-Your bike (I wouldn't think) is not as "replaceable" as Spies. If he goes down Yoshimura WILL buy him another one
-You don't RIDE like Spies.

Sure, it's cool to admire him but trying to copy his riding style isn't going to help you for one basic reason...YOU ARE NOT BEN SPIES! My bud who works at a shop laughs every time he sees someone come in boasting that they have their bike set up to the "Mladin specs." Suspension, bars, etc. Of course, since their body/style isn't going to be exactly like Mladin's, it isn't going to help them at all! These guys have every aspect of their bikes specifically set up for their style/body by pit crew members who probably make three times what I do...

If Spies' style was perfect, wouldn't you think you'd see Mladin out there copying him? Maybe even Rossi and Hayden. Everyone rides different and they all get results.

[bok]

Everyone rides different and they all get results.

stop trying to bring logic into this here intar-web thing

i propose you try hanging off the other side of the bike Verm, make your own riding style and show these poseurs what it's all about

[Kal]

you can still drag elbows while hanging off... here's my idol ben spies.

You missed the point entirely Verm. It's easy to drag knees on corners if that is the aim of the exercise.

What I am trying to get across to you is that you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

Putting your knee down should be a result of fast cornering, getting your knee down does not make you corner faster.

Theres an important difference there. I can get my knee down on relatively slow corners, it dosnt make me corner any faster. It just means anyone who knows what they are looking at thinks I have a small pencil.

[VermilionX]

the MSF is not the perfect teaching school. i don't follow eveything they teach.

especially regarding braking... MSF teaches to use both brakes at teh same time... i do the sport riding technique way... dab the rear 1st then quickly follow up w/ the front.

and regarding ben spies... yeah i know, i don't ride like him but i wanna work on riding like him and maybe i'll find my own style in the process.

im not gonna try to drag elbows... i don't think a stock bike can handle that. putting skills aside, i think you need race suspension and race tires to pull that off.

[kabob983]

Putting your knee down should be a result of fast cornering, getting your knee down does not make you corner faster.

+1

And the MSF course is not meant to teach you to ride fast, it's meant to provide you with the skills to stay alive.

[VermilionX]

And the MSF course is not meant to teach you to ride fast, it's meant to provide you with the skills to stay alive.

yes, precisely.

what i need is track time.